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Kamlesh Patel (1/04/2015)

23 août 2007

SRCM Shahjahanpur

Témoignage de K.C. Reddy, secrétaire
Je ne crois pas me tromper en disant que ce témoignage a été ajouté tout récemment sur le site internet de la Shri Ram Chandra Mission de Shahjahanpur (excusez moi si je fais erreur).

K.C. Reddy, actuel secrétaire de la Mission de Shahjahanpur, nous explique pourquoi Babuji était, est et sera le seul maître du Sahaj Marg. Il nous parle aussi de la création du Comité de lecture pour le Département des Publications de la SRCM en 1982 par Babuji et de ses trois membres : S.P. Srivastava, S.A. Sarnad et lui-même. Du refus de Babuji de publier ses mémoires de son vivant, de la publication du second volume en 1988 et du troisième en 89.

K.C. Reddy rend compte aussi de son travail en France, à Paris, en 1982. De son rôle auprès des Centres français pour les convaincre que Babuji resterait à jamais le seul maître de la Shri Ram Chandra Mission.

Il relate aussi sa rencontre en décembre 1987 avec des abhyasis français, dont André Poray (déjà croisés en 1982), au Centre d'Hyderabad, toujours rattaché à Shahjahanpur, et pas encore tombé aux mains de Chariji et de la SRCM tm. La situation était confuse, particulièrement en dehors de l'Inde, mais André Poray serait rentré chez lui persuadé que la Mission et l'Ashram de Shahjahanpur ne tomberaient pas en de mauvaises mains.


Elodie

"In my early college days I read a book “ Song Celestial” by Edwin Arnold in which he described Lord Buddha as the ‘ Light of Asia’ and hailed Jesus Christ ‘ Light of the World’. It was difficult to fathom how the message of the Buddha, in the opinion of the author, was confined only to Asia though Buddha’s teachings reached some parts of Europe and the America as described and illustrated by Diwan Chimanlal in his book ‘Buddhist America’. If Lord Buddha was the “Light of Asia” and Jesus Christ was the ‘ Light of the World’, who then could be the Light of the Universe? I always tried to find an answer to this dilemma by reading biographies of great personalities and talking to various scholars but it remained an unsolved mystery for many years to come. I also met many holy men in search of an answer to this question who is the ‘ Light of the Universe’? However, the mystery continued to evade a solution. Therefore it remained unsolved until the day of Guru Purnima in July 1976. One always wondered why such a relentless search for a seemingly hypothetical problem because no one really knows if there is anything or to that matter any other world beyond our planet earth in this vast and ever expanding universe. It is irrelevant to find out if there was or is any Special Personality to be designated the “ Light of the Universe”. However, it was important for my inquisitive mind to find out a logical answer to this simple question for which I spent nearly 20 years wondering around the world without any success. It was just that wonder that compelled me to continue my search with a hope of solving this mystery some day.

Guru Purnima in July was like any other day in New Delhi. Hot and humid and almost went unnoticed by most people but to me New Delhi that day looked at its best with lush green trees, lawns and flowers as if the Nature itself provided its choicest varieties as part of its tribute to some one special who happened to be in the city that day though I did not know as yet who it was so special to the Nature itself. It was ten in the morning and the destiny took me to my Destination. When I started the journey, I did not know that it would be the end of the journey commenced twenty years ago in the very city where the journey was started. The scene and the background of the place of the meeting was very simple – a shamiana, a sofa and few carpets – but the simplicity was certainly misleading as Nature appeared to hide something it did not want to reveal so easily. The atmosphere was something extraordinary and description in any language; the serenity was all pervading so conducive for spiritual assembly that one could transcend time, space and causation the moment one stepped into it and I was no exception. When I walked into the lawn His Holiness Shri Ram Chandra Maharaj of Shahjahanpur was sitting in the sofa ( I did not know his name at the time ); about ten to fifteen people were sitting in front of Him and He looked at me with such penetrating eyes as though he was looking at my past, present and future; it lasted only for few seconds but that look and those eyes were something out of this world and everything around there seemed to have vanished including the person sitting on that chair Suddenly, I could only see a light more effulgent than million suns put together engulfing that chair and became a concentrated small round object and the vision was clear. I had my eyes open, and could see that very small object without any form or shape was indeed the creator of this vast and unending Universe, the Ultimate in human form. Then everything was back to normal, the houses, the trees, the lawn, and the shamiana were in their usual places. At last, I found to my quest to find out who the ‘LIGHT OF THE UNIVERSE’ was. Like Yashoda I forgot this experience soon after I reached the lotus feet of my Lord and forgot all about the Light of the Universe.

I was fascinated by those eyes; they were indeed fathomless without beginning or end; they in fact contained the whole Universe and those eyes were the personification of the Infinite. I have never seen such eyes anywhere in the world but at that time it was not possible to identify those eyes with the Infinite. “ A pearl is to be appreciated either by a king or by a jeweler” ( a Persian proverb ) I was neither king nor jeweler, therefore could not understand the significance of those Divine eyes.

Each time I sat near my Master Babuji Maharaj, I used to wonder about those mysterious eyes, looking into those eyes trying to find out why they are so special, but the solution was always evasive like a mirage in the desert. No one could tell me any thing about those eyes nor could I dare ask Babuji Maharaj himself. However, the inquisitiveness increased to the extent that it became a source of constant remembrance of my Lord and it created a kind of restlessness and craving to be at my Lord’s divine feet all the time, though the mystery remained unsolved until April 1981.

Babuji Maharaj visited Malaysia for the second time in 1981, the first visit being in April 1977, during the 82nd birthday celebrations of our beloved Master. The celebrations were held in Kelang, an important town, which was called port Swethnahain during the colonial days, but Babuji was staying in our house in Petaling Jaya. One day, soon after the celebrations, Babuji Maharaj was resting on a couch and I was sitting at His feet. There was no one at home at that time. Babuji Maharaj suddenly sat up and told me, “ It sounds egoistic, but I am the only one who has seen God”. These are His exact words. He always used to talk to me in Urdu but this statement was made in English. After making this statement, he went back to relax on the couch. It flashed into my mind the answer to my quest about those eyes. The truth came out itself and the secret was revealed by the Master himself. In fact he said before leaving Malaysia that if ever you write a book about this visit to Malaysia, the title should be “ Secret Revealed”. Those eyes were the eyes that had seen Good, the Ultimate, the Infinite as such reflected the Infinite without any beginning or without any end.

From the moment I set my eyes on Him, I knew that He was the “ Light of the Universe” who had come down from the Centre to redeem the whole Universe of all its maladies and impurities. The Special Personality came down for a special purpose of overhauling of Nature. One can logically ask why Nature needs such an overhauling? When and how often It needs overhauling? It is not possible for Nature Itself to do that? Is it incapable to look after Itself? Does It need a Special Personality in human form to fulfil Its needs?…..

Is it not possible for any ordinary person to answer these questions posed by an inquisitive mind enquiring into the mysteries of this Universe. It was only Samarthguru Lalaji Maharaj who unveiled this mystery once for all. In His own words, “ Nature does not have hands and feet. It is a machine continually at work. You ( man devoted to the Ultimate) are the one to weaken as well as the one to strengthen the machine of Nature. When the machine of Nature is very strong ( and functioning well ) that period is designated as a good time. The times are said to have suffered a degeneration in proportion to the extent of the machine (of Nature) going weak. Satya Yuga, Treta, Dwapara and Kaliyuga are all divisions ( of time) with respect to the same (characteristic of strength or weakness of the machine of Nature). At present time, this machine is running very loose; its various parts have gone very weak. As such Nature’s attention is getting oriented to this direction. The result is very clear. There is really no secret in Nature. It is some thing very simple which is proof of Master’s perfection. In this connection, whatever order is to be issued by dear Ram Chandra is to be taken as God’s order and acted upon”. There is no need to reconfirm the special status of Babuji Maharaj by reading about him in various publications of Shri Ram Chandra Mission because by merely looking at Him one could feel, if viewed with an open and pure heart, that He was someone very Unique like of Him has not graced this planet earth ever since its creation. However, skeptics apart, even the reaffirmation even after reading Master’s writings and remained doubting Toms.

Babuji Maharaj in his book “ Efficacy of Raj Yoga in the Light of Sahaj Marg” writes Nature now requires change – thorough overhauling – and for this purpose, I may assure you, a Special Personality has already come into existence and has been at work… The great sages of today with highest standing in spirituality, little known to the world in general, are working under His directions…. Those who have eyes and vision may see and realise his working and its effect. The task ahead is of a very important nature, and the change will be the ultimate result. Time he may take, but the result is inevitable after which the world will shine forth in its true colour.” Babuji Maharaj further writes, “ Such a personality gets power direct to keep the machinery of Nature in proper working order.” Many abhyasis after reading this book many times used to ask Babuji Maharaj himself, who that special personality was. Babuji Maharaj in his characteristic manner used to reply “ You pray and I will also pray” so that He may reveal Himself. Of course, one could always ask how any one could be sure that Babuji Maharaj is that Special Personality? Ever since the beginning of creation, incarnations, prophets and messengers of God have come but this is the first time a Special Personality manifested itself to set right the machinery of Nature. Lalaji Maharaj explains it to Babuji Maharaj himself, “ Time is taking a turn. This duty is assigned to you. It has to be done during your lifetime as well as after that….. Whatever changes are to be effected in the world shall all be done through you only. No other personality seems apparently equal to it. All powers of Nature have been placed under your subordination.” The reason for the manifestation of the special personality at this juncture in the history of the Universe is also well explained by Lalaji Maharaj. “ Fertility of the earth has declined. The pilgrim places have suffered degeneration. The character (of people) has got deformed. People are becoming slaves to sensuality. Pride about a birth in high caste is increasing. Sympathy is evaporating (like camphor). Selfishness is flourishing. Fraud and hypocrisy have found a home in people’s hearts. All the defects, so to say, they have crept in, will have to be removed.” It is now abundantly clear that Babuji Maharaj is indeed the Special Personality and as such the “ Light of the Universe”. People suffering from the Ostrich Syndrome may not believe it but like an Ostrich their head (intelligence) is buried in the sand and can never see the light of the day, as the oft quoted Persian proverb says, ‘If a bat canndot see the sun, it is not the fault of the sun’. Fortunate indeed are those who could see in their vision that he was the Special Personality and no one else.

It may have been the worst of times yet it was also the best of times because Babuji Maharaj was sent by the Ultimate at this time as the humanity and His creation needed His presence in the physical form. “Such a personality”, in the words of Lord Krishna, “is born quite suddenly after years or say centuries – nay millennia which has no parallel. Such a deserving person is born by God’s command”. Swami Vivekananda said, “The definition of the best deservingness – nay, one above that given by Lord is seldom available.. You are the example of it.” Lalaji Maharaj states, “ This time will not recur for a very long period now.” Babuji Maharaj is the Master not only of this world, but of the whole Universe. Fortunate indeed are those who are born during his physical presence and more fortunate are those who sought his refuge and became members of Shri Ram Chandra Mission as Sahaj Marg abhyasis. People did not, and even now, do not realise who Babuji Maharaj actually is. Swami Vivekananda mentioned to Babuji Maharaj, “Your training started from the centre of the Almighty in the very beginning. Do you know why it is so?… You have come to effect change and this will be our function throughout. The highest attempt will make your work smooth, so that people coming after you may impart training in the (way of ) life (for which) you sowed the Seed.” Swamiji further told him, “You have really speaking no time for any other work (except spiritual). You do not know perhaps that your responsibility is not confined to this world alone…. We are all looking to you for the work; and the world is waiting for strong change to be effected by you and you alone. You can distribute your work among the power of Nature.” All powers of Nature including Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh; Indra, Yama, Kuber and others, Ashta Dikpalakas; Vasus; dhruvas and Dhruvadipatis and others are working under Babuji Maharaj not only now but as long as this Universe exists. No change can take place anywhere without his prior permission. All this may sound like a fantasy; wild imagination or hallucination and Babuji Maharaj Himself did not want people to know about Him. His simplicity became veil and people could not see the Reality hidden behind that simplicity seemed so natural and identical with Nature. Perhaps his hukkah also diverted people’s attention and they were fascinated by its smell and the sound. When Babuji Maharaj arrived at the Subang International Airport in Kaulalampur, Malaysia; after the customary welcome with love and devotion the first question abhyasis asked was, “Where is the hukkah?” That was the first time they had Master’s darshan still they associated Master with hukkah as the legendary inseparable twins. Master in his compassion and universal love may have taken pity on me because I had been searching not only to find out who the Light of the Universe was but also for a Guru for well over twenty years. Therefore, He gave me just a glimpse only a glimpse of Himself during our very first meeting. May be that was why I could feel there was much more behind his seemingly natural simplicity and hukkah and in the inner core of my heart I knew he was none other than the Ultimate. Whenever abhyasis especially outside India asked if I had seen the Ultimate. My reply was always in the affirmative however it is difficult to say if they believed my statement. There was no tangible or intangible proof, written or unwritten documents or statements by eminent personalities or spiritual giants confirming my faith and conviction.

I was not even aware, at that time, of the existence of diaries of Babuji Maharaj so confidential that no one was allowed to mention about them. Babuji Maharaj appointed a three-men committee consisting of Dr.S.P.Srivastava; Shri S.A. Sarnad and myself to review the books, published by the Publication Department of our Mission, other than Master’s books; edit them and reprint them after making necessary corrections if necessary. That was in 1982. The Committee held its first meeting during Basant in the Yogashram in Shahjahanpur (sadly that also was its last meeting). After the meeting we went to see Babuji Maharaj. He was lying in his bed in his room closing his eyes but was awake. We apprised him with the outcome of the meeting and mentioned that each one of us would read and edit a book and meet again to finalize details before giving them for reprint. Babuji heard all the details with his eyes closed. Then the subject of his diaries was taken up. ‘It was only then I knew about the existence of such diaries. It was mentioned some parts of his diaries have been translated into English and wanted his permission to print them in a book form soon. Babuji Maharaj who until then looked so serene and unconcerned with what was being said suddenly sat up on his bed as if some calamity was about to fall upon this world and said “Nahin bhai mera revelation ho jayega.” ( No that will lead to my revelation). We mentioned that we will edit and print it in abridged form. Babuji Maharaj said. No with such firmness that no one dared to continue the subject any further. After that I went back to Malaysia. Although I visited Shahjahanpur few times after 1982 Basant in connection with Paris function, I forgot all about those diaries. I visited India only once when Babuji Maharaj was in the All India Institute of Medical Sciences coinciding with Basant in 1983. After that I left Malaysia and was living in Ireland and lost touch with the headquarters of the Mission. I also was unaware of the developments after Master’s Mahasamadhi, though I was in touch with our Mission Centres in France and convinced them that Babuji Maharaj alone was; is and will be the Master in Shri Ram Chandra Mission and no one could claim to take his place against the provisions of the constitution of the Mission framed and registered by the great Master himself in 1945 with its headquarters in Shahjahanpur.

Wherever I went or whenever I met abhyasis and had an opportunity to speak I always said that if and when we reach the Ultimate. We will find only Babuji Maharaj and nothing else. Many abhyasis did not believe it and talked of the possibility of many Masters in various galaxies in the Universe forgetting the Creator, they were fascinated by his creation. Even those who read and translated the diaries forgot that he was indeed the Ultimate in human form. They were the victims of Ostrich Syndrome.

It was December 1987. The Hyderabad Centre abhyasis, who were then attached to Shahjahanpur, hosted the All India Founder’s Day in Hyderabad and I met some of the abhyasis for the first time after the Paris function in 1982. Earlier Andre Porey visited Hyderabad and two of us reviewed the situation then prevailing in the Mission. The uncertain situation was confusing especially outside India however Andre Porey went back reassured that the Mission and the Ashram in Shahjahanpur will not fall into the unscrupulous hands. During the function I brought to the notice of some of the senior members of the Mission that the constitution of the Mission is explicitly clear that only a representative in direct line of succession shall be the Successor President of the Mission. During the same function, Part II volume I of the famous diaries of Babuji Maharaj was made available for sale to the abhyasis. The second volume was published in 1988 and the third volume was on sale in 1989. After reading those three volumes I understood why Babuji Maharaj did not want them to be published during his physical presence. When I read the first volume I found most astounding revelation of Lalaji Maharaj, “When I left my body, and my Soul flew away, and reached the Real abode, I felt great surprise to find you already present there”. This statement silenced the skeptics, so called intellectuals and cynics as they were reluctant to accept that His Holiness Shri Ram Chandra ji Maharaj of Shahjahanpur was, beyond any reasonable doubt, the Ultimate Being in human form; He got merged in the Ultimate being to the extent that he became one with It and there was no difference between the two. Lalaji Maharaj states clearly “Trumpets shall sound all around in his praise…. I have perfected him at the age of thirty. Those people are blessed who derive benefit from him…. I have not left even a hairbreadth of imperfection from him.” Babuji Maharaj very often talked about Fana-e-Fana and Baqa – dar Baqa (death of death and life in life ) as a part of research in spirituality Lalaji Maharaj tells him, “ Your death has already occurred only the outward shape remains in this world.” Nobody could really understand him because he was really beyond human comprehension. Lalaji Maharaj puts it more clearly.” I know that a man of his calibre and merit (intelligence0 as has come to me, is difficult to be found by somebody else…. This thing is very rare. Nobody could assess him to extent of my estimate of him. Nobody could value him properly. Mostly people had considered him as the simple divine cow fulfilling everybody’s wishes (Kamadhenu).” Once an abhyasi asked him during 1981 Basant that in spite of his best effort he was not able to understand him. He said that he tried many times to understand him but could not succeed. Babuji said “Why do you try?” As the Persian proverb indicates that one cannot achieve God with the strength of one’s arms; unless in His compassion he decides to reveal himself. Of course abhyasis did not read those diaries in 1981. In Sahaj Marg faith is the most important factor and that is possible only with love and devotion had such faith in Babuji Maharaj and accepted him as the Special Personality who has graced this planet earth for the first time. Lalaji Maharaj confirmed that the status of Babuji Maharaj was that of an avatar. Babuji Maharaj told me once in Shahjahanpur, “Jeb khud aate hain to raja ban ke aate hain; aur jab ham ku bhej te hain to fakir bana ke bhej te hain” (When he comes, he comes as a king but when He sends us, He sends us like a fakir) Babuji Maharaj as the Special Personality has more powers than the avatars; Lord Krishna not only transferred all his powers but also merged in Babuji Maharaj; Swami Vivekanand ji; Lord Buddha; Chaitanya Mahaprabhu; Kabir Saheb and all elders of Yore who were looking for successor representative merged themselves in Him. Swami Vivekananda told him, “ I have been so long in the world but I did not see a person like you. That is why I was lacking a successor representative which I have found in you now.” Swamiji further declared, “ I dare say such a type of character is not to be found anywhere…. He will change the face of the world and humanity sooner or later. Let the time come…. You will never see the face of such a personality and I say again and again that this time will not come for a thousand years. “Lord Krishna was aware of your personality when he left. You have come for some purpose and that is the only work before you…. Nobody can imagine that you are the only personality after Lord Krishna.” Swamiji further told Babuji Maharaj, “The powers of Nature have grown sluggish in this work for want of proper power required for this work. Nobody has the power in the world and beyond to bring them to real action again. It is your duty now to bring them into proper use and prepare them for the work ahead…. You are the instrument of Nature and not a tool of anybody.” All sages including the Vedic Rishis; Sapta Rishis; Dhruvadipatis; Parishads and Maha Parishads knew that Babuji Maharaj incarnated himself to change, to overhaul the machinery of Nature and build a new civilization based on spirituality.

I have mentioned that so many elder sages have merged in Babuji Maharaj but did not mention the merging of Lalaji Maharaj in his Successor Representative. It is only appropriate to quote the Samarth Guru himself, “ I never go away from you. I have made your body my home. Only my thought goes. You should know my eternal presence in yourself. I have merged myself in you. The merging of myself in you, that I have brought about has never been done by any elder (Master) in his successor representative till now. Your movement has gone still further. The matter is settled. The (proposal) for movement ahead is that you be made completely rid of Samskars (impressions of past actions) and in order to maintain physical existence, Vishwa (Universe) may be taken to be your form. It is all a miracle of Master’s love. I understand there has never been such an example on earth to this date.” Swami Vivekananda confirms this to Babuji Maharaj “Whatever spoken by our Lord about his love for you is bare truth. He is burning with love for you. I have never come across such an example anywhere throughout my life. People leave their homes for God; he left his home (Real Store house) for you. That is the great sacrifice ever expected from liberated souls. If I go to express a little further, I can say that you have beaten all the world records in this respect. Love of Radha.” Lord Krishna said, “ What Swami Vivekanandaji has said is literally correct and there is no harm in writing that in the matter of loving you have surpassed even Radha. Swami Vivekanandaji was going to dictate, “ The love of Radha is now at the second place next to yours.” Lord Krishna permitted this sentence to be written down in the notes as recorded in the diaries. After reading these diaries I could relate to the experience I had in New Delhi on Guru Purnima Day, 1976 that Babuji’s form of Vishwa, the Universe. The soul had already left the body and became one with the Ultimate Being. The death even the death of death had already occurred and only physical frame was being maintained to complete the work for which he came down in human form. Blessed indeed is the country where he is born; blessed are the people among whom he was born and doubly blessed is the family in which is born. Fortunate are the countries he visited and more fortunate are the people who had the rare fortunate of sitting at his divine feet. To quote Lalaji Maharaj once again, “ He is over flooded with (divine) wealth from head to foot. I had once said he had effect in the dust of his feet. Now I shall say that the dust on which he happens to tread shall acquire the characteristic of the burnt powder of the Tur Mountain. This dust traded Ram Chandra will have the effect of awaking the vision of the Ultimate.” This long narration logically establishes, beyond all reasonable doubt that His Holiness Shri Ram Chandra Maharaj of Shahjahanpur is in fact the Light of the Universe. One only needs eyes (divya chakshu). May my Lord in his compassion and love grant this divine eye to every pining heart so that they could see His Divine Light spread across the entire Godly creation and the humanity may continue to get divinisation with this Light until Maha Pralaya. Amen."

K.V.REDDY,Secretary,
Shri Ram Chandra Mission,
Shahjahanpur.(UP) India.

13 commentaires:

Elodie a dit…

Alexis a ajouté un nouveau commentaire sur votre message blog "Leadership pour les Nations Unies" :

La SRCM annonce avoir organisé la journée internationale des Nations unies pour la jeunesse dans 23 de ses centres en Inde.
Pourquoi ne l'a-t-elle fait nulle part ailleurs ?
C'est vrai que le "leadership" à la mode "développement personnel" comme elle vient de le traiter est un créneau marketing déjà largement utilisé en Occident.

Autre sujet : le cadeau de Chari (He, the Hookah and I) vendu 1200$ avant le 30 juin uniquement, il ne devait pas y avoir d'exceptions, est maintenant disponible pour seulement 1000$... jusqu'à la fin du mois !
A quel prix sera-t-il en septembre ?
J'y reviendrais...

Alexis a dit…

Propos d'un précepteur, membre de l'Innercircle...
"Il y a beaucoup d’abhyasis – de
notre Région et aussi du monde entier – qui considèrent que c’est un vrai privilège d’être proche de Master et beaucoup même essaient de se battre pour qu’ils soient plus proches de Master."

Alexis a dit…

Non seulement "He, the Hookah and I" est toujours disponible, contrairement aux dires de la Mission, mais aussi la version française de "Whispers".
Le prix du "Hookah" diminue, celui de "Whispers" augmente, allez y comprendre qq chose. Ben oui, il y a maintenant les frais de port. On passe donc de 300 à 320€...

Anonyme a dit…

Salut Elodie...

Il y a des nouveaux Blogs concernant le Sahaj Marg et SRCM...

http://historyofsahajmarg.blogspot.com/
http://lessonsfromsahajmarg.blogspot.com/
http://sahajmargun.blogspot.com/
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=24873318
Sur ORKUT, la communaute s'appelle:Freedom from SRCM-Sahaj Marg.

Il y a une lettre a l'ONU pour ceux qui veulent du "activisme" a cet egard...

Voyons si on peut sauver un couple d'autres victimes en exposant cette secte...

Merci et soyez beni...

Don

Alexis a dit…

Salut Don,
félicitations pour ton boulot sur les nouveaux blogs. Je n'avais pas encore vu sur celui avec les Nations Unies (problème de référencement ?)
Par contre, je dois être idiot, mais je n'ai jamais réussi à trouver le lieu de discussion sur Orkut... pourrais tu me décrire précisement le chemin d'accès, pas à pas.
Excuse mon ignorance

PS pour Elodie : c'est pas facile de te poster des messages en ce moment. Il faut insister des dizaines de fois...

Elodie a dit…

Bonjour à tous,
Oui Alexis tu as raison, ce n'est pas toujours facile de poster un commentaire. C'est un problème récurrent depuis la migration de blogger dans sa version 2. je n'ai pas d'explications, ça marche très bien par moments, à d'autre c'est impossible.
JE VOUS CONSEILLE DONC D'INSISTER ET RECOMMENCER JUSQU'A LA REUSSITE.
J'en suis désolée mais ne vois pas d'autres solutions pour l'instant.
Bien affectueusement
Elodie

Anonyme a dit…

Alexis...

Google ORKUT et choisit "ORKUT login"

Sur la page (a droite), choisit "Join Now"...Il faut ouvrir un compte avec Google pour acceder ORKUT...Alors rempli la forme Google...et la section ORKUT..Il t'enverrons une confirmation par e-mail...Tu ne peux pas acceder avant la confirmation par e-mail.

Un foi confirme et sur ORKUT, va a "Communitiies" et recherche le "Sahaj Marg dans la boite de recherche (a droite) Il y en a plusieurs....Orkut origine de l'Iran.

Choisit: Freedom from Sahaj Marg-SRCM (c'est la page de Shashwat et de "free thinker")
Il faut demander permission du "owner" pour pouvoir la permission de "poster".

Tu peux ensuite aller aux pages a gauche ou au haut de la page pour tes messages prives ou simplement lire les "posts" et ajouter aux posts dans la communaute de Shashwat/Freethinker

A bientot...

Don

Anonyme a dit…

Salut les braves...

Depuis mes poste sur plusieurs sites informant des nouveaux blogs Il y a 3 qui ont ete "bloque" par soit "blogger.com" sous plainte du SRCM Chennai ou Californie ou des "hackers"...

Le "Sahaj Marg" TM semble (??) maintenant etre protege par le "management team" et les site qui ont "Sahaj Marg" dans leur nom (ou leur addresse) semblent avoir ete "bloque" par Blogger.com ou un "hacker)...au moins,

Les noms de ces blogs ont maintenant change: de "Sahaj Marg" a "Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM)" dans leur noms et de "SRCM" dans l'addresse, mots qui ne sont pas protege par "Trade Mark" ou par "copyright".

Les addresses sont maintenant:

History of Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM)
http://historyofsrcm.blogspot.com/

Lessons from Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM)
http://lessonsfromsrcm.blogspot.com/

Shri Ram Chandra Mission SRCM) and the UN
http://srcmun.blogspot.com/

Merci at tous...

On sait comment leur "chier au visage" du moins..."se servir de leurs "mots" proteges, leurs systemes "proteges", leurs "prieres" proteges..lol ...Ca devient interessant... La democratie vs la Theocracie..Est-ce que les mot comme: "salut" et "sauve" ou "Liberation" ou "liberte" ...peuvent-ils etre protege"...

ILS PEUVENT ESSAYER!!! L'eglise Catholique n'oserait pas. Les batailles avec les "fondamentalistes" du moyen Orient debutent. Le vehicule pour notre "arme" de "LIBERTE" de pense et de la Presse, est l'INTERNET" et sa "democratie" et sa liberte d'Information...Nous n'avons pas a nous "agenouiller" aux "media" (journaux, TV, radio etc) pour se faire entendre. On a gagne avec le "Le Vatican" avec la Reformation, maintenant, c'est au tour des "GOUROUS" de devenir "POUSSIERE" avec leurs institutions "sexistes, macho, de vieux "peteux", autocrates et "aristocrates" qui font cible sur les femmes et les enfants de 5-7 ans avec leurs nationalisme spirituel... ;-)) ...

Quoi apres?
C'est ensuite les "Academy Awards" pour la religion du MOIS....lol

Peut-etre un governement "GLOBALE" qui cre un bureau de certification pour ceux (businessmen et manipulateurs) qui pretendent representer le DIVIN?? Leur "terrorisme intellectuel" ne nourrit pas la societe mais la divise. Puisqu'on a des lois pour le "manger du corps" et l'environement, pourquoi pas des loi pour ceux qui pretendent "vendre" leur manger de L'ame ou l'esprit? PLUS DE "TAX EXEMPT" pour ces "businessmen" et "televangelistes" qui creent plutot que d'addresser les problemes sociaux...

AU PLAISIR...voyons si c'est des "hackers" qui nous ont bloques, ils nous bloqueront sur ces nouveaux sites aussi...

Au Plaisir...Les "agents secrets" spirituels...qui precedent les "soldats spirituels" qui attaquent les temples et les eglises traditionelles...Ca toutes les signes d'une invasions etrangere qui sont toujours precede des "religions", et des philosophies (intellectuel) et "therapies alternatives", (spiritualisme, astrology, divination, etc) pour "des-armer" et "controller" les "innocents" et se faire des allies et des "bouc emissaires" parmi la population (en autre mots, on fait cible sur les mecontents, les malades sociaux, les "simples", les naifs (ves), et les enfants)...et les "psy's" et autres addictes au pouvoir.


Don...

Anonyme a dit…

Mes commentaires sur le texte de Reddy.


"If Lord Buddha was the “Light of Asia” and Jesus Christ was the ‘ Light of the World’, who then could be the Light of the Universe? I always tried to find an answer to this dilemma (...)"

Une constante chez ceux qui courrent après l'absolu, est ce besoin infantile d'avoir toujours mieux que l'autre.
Je l'ai sans cesse trouvé autour de ceux qui ont approché Babuji, et dans les écrits de Babuji.
Donc pas étonnant que ce soit une constante mentale chez tous ses affiliés, et pas étonnant qu'il y ait toutes ces rivalités entre clans.


"who that special personality was. Babuji Maharaj in his characteristic manner used to reply “ You pray and I will also pray” so that He may reveal Himself. Of course, one could always ask how any one could be sure that Babuji Maharaj is that Special Personality?"
C'est très honnête de reconnaitre que la question doit être posée et que le doute subsiste: Babuji n'a jamais dit qu'il était lui-même la Personnalité Spéciale, ni révélé qui était cette Personnalité Spéciale, et peut-être même pour la protéger.

La manière dont Reddy répond à sa propre question est moins honnête: Il y a de l'habileté dans l'air.


"Ever since the beginning of creation, incarnations, prophets and messengers of God have come but this is the first time a Special Personality manifested itself to set right the machinery of Nature."

L'humanité ignore quasiment tout de sa propre histoire et voilà une affirmation gratuite qu'il faut accepter.
Babuji lui-même écrit dans un de ses livres qu'il a existé une personnalité divine du même calibre que la personnalité spéciale actuelle, apparament plusieurs centaines de milliers d'années avant l'époque moderne.
Toutes ces affirmations sont complètement démentes et se contredisent.


"Lalaji Maharaj explains it to Babuji Maharaj himself, “ Time is taking a turn. This duty is assigned to you. It has to be done during your lifetime as well as after that….. Whatever changes are to be effected in the world shall all be done through you only. No other personality seems apparently equal to it. All powers of Nature have been placed under your subordination.”"

Lalaji parle du monde ("world"), pas de l'univers ("universe").
Babuji serait donc en charge du monde et non de l'univers.
Si la personnalité spéciale est celle qui est en charge de l'univers, Babuji ne serait donc pas la personnalité spéciale.


Pourtant, Reddy continue son affirmation:

"The reason for the manifestation of the special personality at this juncture in the history of the Universe is also well explained by Lalaji Maharaj."

Il emploie ici le terme "universe" alors que Lalaji employait le terme "world".
Il fait donc dire à Lalaji quelque chose que celui-ci n'a jamais dit, car Lalaji signifiait bien le monde de cette Terre:

"“ Fertility of the earth has declined. The pilgrim places have suffered degeneration. The character (of people) has got deformed. People are becoming slaves to sensuality. Pride about a birth in high caste is increasing. Sympathy is evaporating (like camphor). Selfishness is flourishing. Fraud and hypocrisy have found a home in people’s hearts. All the defects, so to say, they have crept in, will have to be removed.”"

Conclusion de Reddy:
"It is now abundantly clear that Babuji Maharaj is indeed the Special Personality and as such the “ Light of the Universe”."

Ah...
Logique complètement foireuse.


"People suffering from the Ostrich Syndrome may not believe it but like an Ostrich their head (intelligence) is buried in the sand and can never see the light of the day"
Heureusement qu'il l'a dit.

L'autruche, à la SRCM, s'appelle un abhyasi, et son intelligence est ensevelie dans le sable du dogme.
L'abhyasi SRCM est un religieux spirituel, régulièrement touché par dieu sans jamais parvenir à l'expansion infinie de sa conscience.
Il en est empêché par le dogme.


"Fortunate indeed are those who could see in their vision that he was the Special Personality and no one else."

On s'amuserait de ce "and no one else" infantile si les conséquences n'étaient pas aussi sérieuses, à savoir la création d'un mythe en lieu et place de la réalité, la création d'un piège mental étriqué à la place d'une expansion sans fin.

Ensuite ça devient confus: Krishna aurait dit selon ses disciples qui ont écrit l'histoire “Such a personality is born quite suddenly after years or say centuries – nay millennia which has no parallel. Such a deserving person is born by God’s command”.

On imagine bien que les disciples de Krishna faisaient comme ceux de Babuji: pourquoi les disciples de Babuji, avec leur conscience ratatinée, écriraient-ils sur la super-personnalité spéciale qui viendra dans 1000 ans ?

Vivekananda (intercommunication avec Babuji?) est aussi une source citée par l'auteur... no comment.

Finallement, la répétition engendrant la conviction: "Babuji Maharaj is the Master not only of this world, but of the whole Universe".


Et ça continue, il n'est pas seulement spécial, il a tous les pouvoirs:
"All powers of Nature including Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh; Indra, Yama, Kuber and others, Ashta Dikpalakas; Vasus; dhruvas and Dhruvadipatis and others are working under Babuji Maharaj not only now but as long as this Universe exists."
Il a bien dû en oublier, la liste semble un peu courte.


"No change can take place anywhere without his prior permission"
C'est donc lui le responsable du merdier mondial-socialiste actuel?


"All this may sound like a fantasy; wild imagination or hallucination"
YES. For it is nothing else than that.
Ils ont créé un culte de la personnalité qu'ils appellent personnalité spéciale.
Ils ont érigé Babuji à la place de dieu afin qu'il guide l'humanité pour l'éternité.
Ils ont trahi l'esprit du maitre et de son enseignement en sombrant dans ce dévotionalisme débile.


"Babuji Maharaj Himself did not want people to know about Him."
Gagné.
Il savait que la tranquilité s'en va avec l'arrivée du premier disciple, et que les ennuis commencent à la venue du second.
Il n'y a que les imbéciles qui courent après les masses.


"No that will lead to my revelation"
Celà pouvait-il aussi vouloir dire qu'il avait conscience d'un problème de contenu?
Etre révélé a plusieurs sens.


"I forgot all about those diaries."
Je ne comprends pas comment c'est possible d'écrire ce type d'affirmation tout en étant honnête, vu le contexte, l'importance de la réaction de Babuji, et l'importance de ces cahiers.
Enfin, il a bien écrit tout le reste, pourquoi pas ça?
Comment peut-on être honnête avec les autres quand on se raconte des histoires?


"I was in touch with our Mission Centres in France and convinced them that Babuji Maharaj alone was; is and will be the Master in Shri Ram Chandra Mission and no one could claim to take his place against the provisions of the constitution of the Mission framed and registered by the great Master himself in 1945 with its headquarters in Shahjahanpur."

Les disciples ont évidemment joué un rôle dans la création du mythe, et contribué à brouillé la réalité historique après la mort de Babuji.
En voici un bon exemple.


"Wherever I went or whenever I met abhyasis and had an opportunity to speak I always said that if and when we reach the Ultimate. We will find only Babuji Maharaj and nothing else."

Voilà d'où viennent les problèmes.
Quelques seniors influents, une masse ignorante, et le délire de quelques-uns -- parlez de convictions si vous préférez -- s'institutionnalise.
Il n'y a pas qu'avec le nazisme et l'haulocauste que l'histoire a été réécrite, c'est un processus humain et seule l'application d'une méthodologie rigoureuse de recherche historique permet de maintenir la réalité en vue.
Toute loi ou système de pression qui interdit ce travail de recherche, par exemple, signifie qu'il y a quelque chose de terriblement gênant à cacher.


"Many abhyasis did not believe it and talked of the possibility of many Masters in various galaxies in the Universe forgetting the Creator, they were fascinated by his creation. Even those who read and translated the diaries forgot that he was indeed the Ultimate in human form. They were the victims of Ostrich Syndrome."

Quand on fait de Babuji dieu, c'est qu'on est fou d'amour pour Babuji et rien de plus.
C'est très respectable, mais ce n'est pas la réalité des évennements historiques.


"After reading those three volumes I understood why Babuji Maharaj did not want them to be published during his physical presence. When I read the first volume I found most astounding revelation of Lalaji Maharaj, “When I left my body, and my Soul flew away, and reached the Real abode, I felt great surprise to find you already present there”. This statement silenced the skeptics, so called intellectuals and cynics as they were reluctant to accept that His Holiness Shri Ram Chandra ji Maharaj of Shahjahanpur was, beyond any reasonable doubt, the Ultimate Being in human form"

Il peut dire ce qu'il veux des intellectuels, son argument n'est pas une preuve factuelle.
Il s'agit d'une production de l'esprit de Babuji, puisque c'est une "intercommunication".



"Lalaji Maharaj confirmed that the status of Babuji Maharaj was that of an avatar."
Questions: intercommunication? avatar = personnalité spéciale?
Réponses: oui. non.
La personnalité spéciale est mieux qu'un avatar.
Si Lalaji dit que Babuji est un avatar, alors peut-il être la personnalité spéciale?



"When he comes, he comes as a king but when He sends us, He sends us like a fakir"
ça j'adore, mais ce n'est pas de Reddy.



"Babuji Maharaj as the Special Personality has more powers than the avatars; Lord Krishna not only transferred all his powers but also merged in Babuji Maharaj; Swami Vivekanand ji; Lord Buddha; Chaitanya Mahaprabhu; Kabir Saheb and all elders of Yore who were looking for successor representative merged themselves in Him."

Plus plus, c'est mieux que plus.
Comme si une personnalité suprême avait besoin que d'autres, d'un niveau inférieur, fusionnent avec lui.
Or, la démonstration est contradictoire (faisant abstraction de la citation de Lalaji disant que Babuji est un avatar): toutes ces merveilleuses et illustres personnes fusionnent avec Babuji comme une preuve que Babuji est mieux qu'eux.
Mais en même temps, elles donnent tous leurs pouvoirs à quelqu'un qui est déjà supposé les avoir tous...


"You will never see the face of such a personality and I say again and again that this time will not come for a thousand years"

Une autre personnalité spéciale dans 1000 ans alors que le gars affirmait plus haut qu'il n'y avait jamais eu une telle personnalité auparavant.
Qu'est-ce qu'on fera dans 1000 ans?
On jettera l'ancienne qui était supposée gérer l'univers de toute éternité?
On sera incapable d'acceuillir la nouvelle personnalité spéciale parce que quelques crétins ont créé une religion pour vénérer la précédente personnalité, piégeant les masses dans le dogme?



"You have come for some purpose"
C'est vague mais ça donne un sens à la vie.



"Nobody can imagine that you are the only personality after Lord Krishna"

After is not before.
Babuji est donc après Krishna?



"It is only appropriate to quote the Samarth Guru himself, “ I never go away from you. I have made your body my home. Only my thought goes. You should know my eternal presence in yourself."

Intercommunication (création du mental de Babuji).



"This long narration logically establishes, beyond all reasonable doubt that His Holiness Shri Ram Chandra Maharaj of Shahjahanpur is in fact the Light of the Universe."

Je suis désolé, mais cette longue narration n'établit pas, ni logiquement, ni factuellement, ce que son auteur prétends.
Elle démontre simplement que certains disciples de Babuji ont trahi l'esprit et la vie de celui-ci en recouvrant son message d'une couche imaginaire, en travestissant la simplicité dont il était adepte et serviteur en une mythologie bollywoodienne totalement démente.



"May blablabla Amen" est une marque typique de religiosité, pas de spiritualité.

Je crois que ces gens sont des imposteurs qui prennent leurs fantasmes pour la réalité.
Babuji les a tellement marqués qu'ils ne s'en sont jamais remis, et ils ont transmis leurs merdes à la postérité au lieu de préserver le flux limpide et puissant pour tous ceux qui viennent après.


Cricri

Elodie a dit…

Ci-dessous le message de Cri cri posté sur un message précédent :
Anonyme a ajouté un nouveau commentaire sur votre message blog "Leadership pour les Nations Unies" :

Bonjour à tous, je ne résiste pas à la tentation: trop de cynisme demande à s'exprimer quand je lis Kasturi.

"Then Shri Babuji Maharaj as a special Divine Personality had descended and the whole world was enlightened and glorified with His divine Light."
On voit à quel point le monde a été illuminé et glorifié.
Probablement l'invertendo...

J'avais cru comprendre que le Sahaj Marg de Babuji n'était pas un Bhakti yoga (yoga de la dévotion) mais un Sufisme trafficoté en Raja yoga.
J'avais aussi compris que Kasturi pratique la voie de la dévotion.
Pourquoi dit-elle que c'est du Sahaj Marg puisque c'est autre chose (ouille, c'est vrai que dans le sufisme, la dévotion est centrale)?
Chaque disciple de Babuji a capté un aspect de l'enseignement et a produit sa propre école.
C'est un classique dans les arts martiaux, et à ce qui semble dans tout enseignement laissé par un maitre.
Comme quoi, entre un senior disciple et le stade de maitre il y a un subtil fossé qui s'appelle l'infini.

"the abhyasis of the Mission" ... laquelle?


Hi Don !

You say: "Ce sont des "nationaliste""
Je ne savais pas que c'était mal d'être nationaliste.
C'est aussi important d'appartenir à une nation et de la préserver en bon état que d'avoir une maison: la nation c'est chez soi, la nation c'est la famille, la nation c'est l'ordre collectif naturel.
Comment être bien dans ses basquettes quand on est SDF, ou quand on est un numéro interchangeable dans un système collectiviste?
Ne vaut-il pas mieux être nationaliste pour s'opposer sainnement au mondial-socialisme?
Le mondial-socialisme est cette nouvelle forme de l'idéologie socialiste non plus sous-tendue par la nation comme l'était le national-socialisme, mais par le projet du nouvel ordre mondial.
On est passés en moins de 60 ans du nazisme au mazisme et c'est pas mieux.
Chari et ses bouffons sont tout sauf des nationalistes: ce sont des égoistes impérialistes et mondial-socialistes qui exploitent la crédulité et l'ignorance de leurs semblables en prétendant sauver l'humanité d'elle-même.
Des businessmen, des malades de pouvoir, qui feront comme tous les autres le moment venu, quoiqu'ils croient.


Bonjour Monique,

Votre fille sera probablement mariée à un Indien et intégrée au programme d'accouplements qu'orchestre Chari (on est ainsi passé du jardin des coeurs si poétique au champ des sexes: car pourquoi l'institution du mariage à la SRCMtm si ce n'est pour avaliser la finalité sexuelle dans un cadre contrôlé?).
Je ne sais pas quelle est la place de la femme occidentale dans la société Indienne mais votre fille verra bien quand elle y sera -- après tout il s'agit de sa vie et non de la votre.
D'après ce que je comprends de la situation, il me semble peu constructif de blâmer la secte et de tenter à tout prix d'en faire sortir votre fille.
Au plus vous vous affolerez, au plus vous voudrez le bien de votre fille, au plus elle réagira et s'éloignera de vous.
Elle est sous emprise mentale.
Le système qui est implanté dans son esprit se défendra contre ce qui l'attaque en retournant votre fille contre vous.
Je sais que c'est une idée insupportable, mais c'est ce qu'il faut éviter à tout prix afin qu'elle garde une connexion mentale avec le monde extérieur et qu'elle puisse être nourrie avec d'autres idées que le délire SRCMtm.
C'est un délire particulièrement toxique, qui apparement explique tout et dans les faits n'explique rien (vous n'aurez qu'a rencontrer ces gens et pousser les questions, vous verrez bien: ils n'y comprennent pas plus que vous au sens de la vie et à la finalité de l'univers. Quand ils ne savent pas, ils s'exclament: "Tout est la volonté du maitre", ou "Sans le maitre on n'est rien". Avec ça, autant se convertir à l'Islam, c'est le même absolutisme obscur et moyen-âgeux que dans toutes les religions, un beau progrès).
De plus, votre fille doit percevoir ce système comme un sauveur face à son état dépressif de base.
Si vous voulez l'aider, il va falloir devenir consciente pour elle, donc vous renseigner mieux et étudier de manière plus approfondie le système dans lequel elle est, voire l'essayer vous-même afin de comprendre dans quoi elle a basculé.
A ce stade, vous n'avez aucun concept ni représentation en rapport avec la réalité que vit votre fille: seulement votre imaginaire et vos préjugés, vos craintes et vos angoisses, et vous agressez votre fille avec tout ça.
Essayer le système serait aussi une manière de créer une expérience partagée avec votre fille sur laquelle vous pourriez discuter, autour de laquelle vous pourriez établir une relation.
Admettez-le de gré ou de force: la SRCMtm fait désormais partie de votre vie, ou vous devez accepter de perdre votre fille.
De gré serait donc le mieux: vous cesserez ainsi de gaspiller votre énergie dans une vaine lutte, et pourrez la redéployer de manière efficace pour développer une parade.
Si vous comprenez, vous cesserez de vous affoler, et vous pourrez accompagner votre fille quand elle aura besoin de vous dans le processus de dénouage, jusqu'au moment où elle sera capable de s'apercevoir par elle-même qu'elle traite avec des humains vulgaires, et non avec des dieux.
Pour l'instant elle est subjuguée, donc incapable d'un tel constat.
Ce n'est pas la secte qui l'a rendue dépressive, et il semble que sa dépression soit endogène.
Avez-vous pensé qu'elle pouvait trouver à la SRCMtm une nourriture qui lui manque, et que finalement elle en tirait quelque bénéfice?
Autre point: rassurez-vous, on ne se suicide pas à la SRCMtm, ça ferait désordre.
Le Chari prétends que quiconque se suicide est damné pour l'éternité, tandis que la souffrance est rédemptoire et preuve de sainteté, alors avec cette petite touche terroriste, votre fille a trouvé une raison d'endurer sa dépression, qu'elle n'avait sûrement pas avant.
C'est donc plutôt un point positif, car à présent elle ne commettra pas un geste qu'elle aurait pu commettre: vous devez le savoir et reconnaitre que vous pouvez avoir de la gratitude même pour un système pourri.
Le point négatif est que la pratique de la méditation à la SRCMtm intensifie les états dépressifs -- ils lui diront que c'est du cleaning.
Puisque plus on est dépressif, plus on est dépendant, c'est bon pour le business (quid du rôle de la télé sur le citoyen lambda: ça vaut pas mieux).
Dans 10 ans, quand elle verra qu'elle est toujours aussi dépressive, votre fille commencera peut-être à se poser des questions et peut-être à faire quelque chose de concret pour elle-même.
Si elle est maline, elle se posera même des questions avant, et sinon elle aura ce qu'elle mérite -- et pourquoi pas le bonheur?

Cricri

Alexis a dit…

La rumeur court…

Chari viendrait en Europe au mois d'octobre prochain. La rumeur court, enfle et se propage. Mais elle va bientôt retomber comme un soufflé…
Ne rêvez pas, Chari ne viendra pas !
Pourquoi ?
Parce que c'est un pragmatique et un calculateur, ses actes ne sont jamais gratuits. Après un effet d'annonce uniquement destiné à vous stimuler, il finit par annuler au dernier moment, soit disant pour raison de santé ! La mécanique est bien rodée…
Déjà en 2003, il expliquait aux Américains pourquoi il leur avait préféré les Indiens. Manque de croissance numérique, manque de réalisations matérielles. Encore en mai dernier, il préférait Dubaï et ses attraits financiers à l'Occident :

« In 1972 I travelled with Babuji to the US. After three weeks there were 76 abhyasis but until 1984 it was arround the same number. What does this show ? Nobody worked.» Discours au Danemark le 10/08/2000
« (…) I really didn't expect to come back to the USA again, because I was pretty depressed about the general situation. Not of the economy, not of the politics, not of the country, you know, but of the abhyasis of the Mission (…) It had become something of a routine, you know (…) That was one reason why I wasn't travelling abroad for the last three years out of India (…) the people of India yet come to spirituality. So, like my old job in my company, where I was a marketing man - I had good markets, bad markets and markets which were okay (…) And the temptation was always to go to the good market first (…) marketing management dictates that you should give more time to those markets which are not so profitable or productive (…) So I have been concentrating on India for the last three years, and I am very happy to say that, if you think in terms of statistics, probably we've had three hundred percent growth in the last three years in India. We've had so many new ashrams coming up, big ashrams coming up, housing projects coming up, abhyasis coming in droves, you know (…) And it is good (…) I don't have a conscience at all - it's a question of work. I don't judge myself, I only do my work and leave the result to him.» - I only do My Work, Discours à San Jose (CA, USA) le 10/08/2003

« Je serais heureux de dire qu'Il avait le projet de voyager en Europe et aux Etats-Unis en Avril. Mais, peut-être pense-t-Il que s'Il allait maintenant en Europe et aux Etats-Unis, beaucoup d'abhyasis qui se sont enregistrés pour Tiruppur, n'iraient pas en Inde. Alors, Il a annulé sa visite. Donc, je pense que d'une certaine manière, nous ne sommes pas capables de Le convaincre que Sa venue n'affectera pas l'événement en Inde. Il est en ce moment à Dubaï (…) Durant, je dirais, les 15 dernières années, le travail et le temps qu'Il a consacré à l'Europe auraient dû produire beaucoup, beaucoup, beaucoup plus d'abhyasis. Mais… c'est étrange, je ne dirais pas que Son travail a été en défaut… mais que nous n'avons pas montré assez de réceptivité pour être capable de réaliser ce qui aurait dû être.» Discours d'Ajay Kumar Bhatter à Montpellier le 3/05/2007


Il ne viendra pas.
Soyons réalistes, vous n'êtes pas doués pour le marketing spirituel. Zéro pointé pour le business, le coaching de vos dirigeants n'a pas encore porté ses fruits et le management s'en ressent.
Si vous aviez vraiment voulu le voir, il vous aurait fallu le prouver. Faire du chiffre : doubler, tripler les effectifs, bâtir des cathédrales et quoi qu'il en dise… vous battre pour être auprès de lui.
Mais vous n'êtes pas assez productifs, pas assez rentables pour l'intéresser…
Chari ne viendra pas, il ne viendra plus.
Pragmatique, calculateur, ce fut surtout un fin stratège, un habile tacticien agissant au gré de ses intérêts.
Il s'est bien servi de vous quand il en avait besoin. Rejeté par les Indiens en 1983, c'est vers vous Occidentaux qu'il s'est tourné. Vous lui avez donné les moyens de bâtir le Babuji Memorial Ashram et de le remplir d'abhyasis. Ainsi, c'est grâce à vous qu'il a pu inverser le cours naturel des choses et rentrer chez lui en vainqueur.
Il ne viendra plus, c'est fini !
N'oubliez jamais ça, il s'est servi de vous et maintenant il vous jette comme de vulgaires kleenex désormais inutiles.

Anonyme a dit…

Alexis...

Si tu veux un site de "discussions" sur le Sahaj Marg et le SRCM, il y a une discussion un peu plus "intellectuelle" sur ce site d'un abhyasis "tiede" avec moi et un couple d'autres personnes de divers spiritualites...

L'Orkut est de l'Iran et la plupart des "commentaires" ne sont pas tres "inspirants"...c'est un site pour poster plutot que de "discuter".

La derniere page de la Communaute: "Classical Texts" sub-section: "Guru Yoya" avec Chris Crumb, du site "Moving into Stillness"...Le site semble etre originaire de Californie, USA mais ??


http://p092.ezboard.com/fmovingintos
tillnessfrm11.showMessageRange?topic
ID=69.topic&start=601&stop=625

Le site "Moving into Stillness" HOME PAGE:

http://www.movingintostillness
.com/index.html

Salut...

Don

Anonyme a dit…

Salut Cri-cri...

Non, ce n'est pas mal d'etre "nationaliste" mais etre "nationaliste" sur le pretexte d'eliminer "le "nationalisme" des abhyaisis n'est pas "honnete". Nous sommes tous UN, ils disent, mais les Indes, c'est "special"...

A l'ecole Omega (la fin?), a Chennai, un de leur Programme fut: India the INVINCIBLE. Pourquoi pas "France the invincible" ou "Canada the Invincible". Ce sont tous des "fantasmes" d'ailleurs parce que tout, meme les Indes va changer et le pays qu'il appelle "INDIA" est seulement appele INDIA recemment. INDIA a autre noms historiques.

Le nationalisme melange a la "spiritualite" ou la Religion est une combine dangereuse. On peut voire les autres religions "nationalistes" ou la politque, le business (psy-alternative, religio, et multiple autre) et la "spiritualite" forment une TRINITE de pouvoir et peut attirer plusieurs par leur illusions de "pouvoir spirituel" qu'ils disent venir du DIVIN, speciallement, ils peuvent attirer les "mecontents" dans les pays cibles.

Mon nationalisme pour ma nation, c'est du "patiotisme" et c'est bien.
Mon nationalisme pour la nation des autres, c'est de la trahison. Le pauvre qui croit au nationalisme HINDOUS devrait "demenager".

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