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25 novembre 2008

Des toilettes plutôt que des temples !

"And unfortunately, when I go to the U.S., I find more and more temples being constructed there by devotees [laughs] who go there only to earn money but export all our so-called virtuous elements of society. Temples in America! Unfortunately, these so-called freedoms you know, freedom of expression, freedom of worship - they are very handy in the hands of useless people who have too much money, and who are also getting rid of their guilty wealth in building temples all over the world. It is better if they build toilets in India, which we need badly. I urge all Telegu millionaires living in America to build good toilets along our highways, in our airports, in our cities; it will clean up our country. Instead of that they build another Venkatachalapathy temple in Houston, another one in Timbuctoo, another one in Toronto. What for? It is not money wisely spent, because anything which is spent uselessly cannot be wise.
So you see, our people, even when they go abroad, remain as stupid as they are here. That they make money out of software and hardware does not prove that they are really intelligent. Isn't it? Where is the wisdom? So I urge all our Indians living abroad - donate for specific purposes: better roads. Most of all, what we need in India is toilets! I mean, you just have to walk into a toilet in India, any toilet, anywhere, to see the shameful condition in which our hygienic needs are met - any toilet, anywhere in India. I feel ashamed as an Indian.
(…) We have to start cleaning this country from the bottom up, literally and in every way. It is easy for people to say, "Bottoms up," when they drink. This is what I would urge the Andhra people to spend their money on; stop building temples, start building toilets(…)


Some of our abhyasis were so foolish that they went on a spree in the stock market. Some lost even a million dollars, two million dollars, and of course they salve their conscience and try to fool me by saying, "Sir, we did it only so that we could give more money to the Mission." I said, "If you had given me the money you put on the stock-market, I would have built another ashram." A million dollars in India is four and a half crores of rupees. Calcutta ashram cost half that. But they would rather squander away a million dollars of hard-earned money for which they go into exile in a foreign land, rather than do what they can do with it before trying to multiply it and 'doing more good'. It's like a man who says, "I would do more good if I had more." But you haven't even started doing 'good' with what you have! "

The Land with Potential - A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari on 9th January, 2004 at Nellore, Andhra Pradesh

14 commentaires:

Alexis a dit…

Des toilettes plutôt que des temples, oui mais des ashrams plutôt que des toilettes...

Intéressant comme chari peut dire une chose et son contraire dans un seul et même discours sans que les abhyasis en soient choqués;

intéressant aussi dans la situation actuelle où la SRCM a elle aussi tenté de profiter de la bourse et où Chari s'en mord aujourd'hui les doigts

Shashwat a dit…

who will build toilets ??? if people give money to chari, he will not build toilets but ashrams in his name of-course.

Well Chari after 4 yrs still hates india and indians... here is some of his view's about india and indians

So we are cheats, we have trained our families to be cheats, our grandchildren to be cheats. So in India today is there an honest man? It is doubtful. Is there a man of character? Perhaps. Are there selfish liars, cheats, daakus [dacoits], unfriendly, willing to kill for profit and pleasure? Yes. Every Indian is potentially that. If they see a profit they are willing to give up everything for it. Today in the newspaper there is an article of two people who kidnapped a boy of nine or ten years old, took him to a hospital in Cuddapah or somewhere, changed his sex, and are using him for prostitution—just now I read in the newspaper. To what extent, you see, this lust for profit will take you. Every so often, once in three, four months we read of a human sacrifice in Madhya Pradesh, a man killing his own son because, according to the astrologers, this is the only way in which he can prosper. Human sacrifice!

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/081109_Bangalore.jsp


So according to Chari every indian is potentially selfish liars, cheats, daakus [dacoits], unfriendly, willing to kill for profit and pleasure. This person claims to be spiritual also note he is in Sahaj Marg since 1956 i guess.... have a look what sahaj marg has made him, a person who ends up hating his own country and his own people.. eventually more time a person spends in Sahaj marg, more he will become like Chari..




Regards
Shashwat

Anonyme a dit…

Salut a tous et toutes...

Quand on est dans la toilette, on ne sent pas la "marde"! Il faut etre en dehors pour sentir ce qui est "dans" la toilette. La similarite avec le Sahaj Marg et le SRCM(Californie) nous apparait sous le nez!! ;-))

Peut etre que Chari devrait acheter des toilettes plutot que des Ashrams... Et quand il aura achete assez de toilettes, il peut y jetter les "lecons" qu'il enseigne aux Abhyasis pour les rendre tellement mal-honnete, arrogant et meme violents... soit: MARDEUX!!

Au Canada maintenant, un grand nombre des attaques sur les "homosexuels" viennent de la minorite "hindouse"! Peut-etre que Chari peut sortir de sa "toilette intellectuelle" et commencer a prendre un peu de responsabilite pour ces attaques sur "une minorite" qui est protege par notre "constitution" et nos lois nationales. Le Sahaj Marg, comme les autre religions "conservatrices", sont responsable pour la haine qui est dirige vers nos freres et soeurs qui ont une attraction pour le meme-gendre.

Et la "marde" qu'est la violence de la SRCM(Californie) sur les Ashrams de Navneet et autre Ashrams opposes a Chari, est logee dans l'intellecte et l'esprit de Chari et dans les ecrits d'autres religions regressives. Pour les Chretiens, les ecrit sont de 2000 ans dans le passe. Ca c'est regressif!! La haine que Chari engendre envers nos freres et soeurs est AUJOURD'HUI!! Ce n'est pas Charitable et leur status TAX EXEMPT sous la section: "CHARITABLE" devrait etre annule!!

Alors pour NOEL, on lui envoie un cadeau de "Papier de Toilette" afin qu'il s'essuie au moins apres ces "discours de haine" merdeux envers les autre nationalites et leurs histoires, les religions, cultures, et les preferences sexuelles, etc...

Peut-etre s'il sort de la toilette, il verra et "sentira", le mal et la souffrance qu'il a cause dans le monde avec son "capitalisme spirituel" en ce temps ou nous avons besoin de "rationel" afin de faire la transition vers notre adolescence humaine, apres notre enfance collective.

La responsabilite pour notre evolution spirituelle et intellectuelle sera maintenant dans nos mains, pas dans les mains des "autocrates religieux", et des "capitalistes des cartel" qui se montrent maintenant tous commes des "addicte" au pouvoir et a l'argent, pas a l'environement ou a le bien-etre de la planete et des citoyens.

La SPIRITUALITE doit nous sortir des toilettes, pas nous plonger plus creux dans la MARDE!! De la Marde NOIRE! C'est ca qu'est devenue le Sahaj Marg!!

Un Acadien-isme: Tu sais le blanc sur la marde des oiseaux? Mange pas ca! C'est de la marde aussi!! ;-))

Don...

Anonyme a dit…

"[laughs]"
Brainwashed Sheeple

"Temples in America!"
Everywhere: For the god Consumption, which lives only on the sacrifice of millions of lives.

"It is better if they build toilets in India, which we need badly."
So, instead of collecting funds for building cottages and ashrams, build toilets yourself: This is your country, not ours !

"anything which is spent uselessly cannot be wise"
Chari's wisdom :-)

"our people, even when they go abroad, remain as stupid as they are here."
Yeah, we have the same problem, don't worry like that: Pray to your master, do your practice well, and visit a prefect more often to remove from your heart these bad samskaras causing all your negative thoughts and criminal activities.

"That they make money out of software and hardware does not prove that they are really intelligent. Isn't it?"
It proves that they are enslaved by some mazi crooks who own the software industry, but you know what I'm talking about. Isn't it?

"Where is the wisdom?"
Are you looking for it ?

"So I urge"
This does not change, you have understood how to manipulate people.

"donate for specific purposes: better roads"
Better roads in India = faster driving = more deadly accidents = less living people = a reduced need of toilets

"Most of all, what we need in India is toilets!"
Better roads to go faster to the toilets results in less people going to the toilets, paradoxically. Build the roads first, you will see then if there is still a need for toilets.

"I feel ashamed as an Indian"
You are not an Indian, just a mazi, globalized, with no identity left because you have achieved the highest spiritual stages of evolution. So stop playing this manipulative trick to our Indian sisters and brothers and just respect the natural order.

"We have to start cleaning this country from the bottom up, literally and in every way"
So that your mazi friends can come there and colonize the land.

"stop building temples, start building toilets"
For worshit instead of worship

"Some of our abhyasis were so foolish"
Yeah, we know that ! And they still are thanks to you.

"Some lost even a million dollars"
Like father and sons !

"Sir, we did it only so that we could give more money to the Mission."
This is a direct consequence of the criminal pressure that you have put on your people so that they will give more and more to the mission, Chari. You have the guts to blame them ? Are you ever feeling responsible for anything ?

I said, "If you had given me the money you put on the stock-market, I would have built another ashram."
Hé Hé Hé ! Quel vieux grigou ! C'est là qu'il ne faut pas hésiter à foutre une baffe car c'est mérité.

"Calcutta ashram cost half that."
Et en plus ses ashrams c'est de la merde: Aux chiottes.

Mon dieu, j'étais encore abhyasi à l'époque où il a fait ce discours !
J'en ai froid dans le dos !


Cricri

Elodie a dit…
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Anonyme a dit…

Shashwat,

It becomes interesting when you start bringing arguments as you are doing now.


"a spiritual person cannot have an off-shoot like that of chari"

What about god, if we follow your logic, which resulted in such off springs like Chari, Bush Jr, Sarkozy or the Queen Elizabeth ?
Therefore, it must be possible that a demon gets born from a god.
Even though the sins of their fathers will bloom in the sons, sometimes the sons will find their way out. The reverse must be possible.


"that is why, in Hindu tradition we touch feet of all our elder's so that we can get the divine blessing"

May I suggest that by doing this physical act of going physically as low as touching the feet of someone, your inner condition will change from arrogance to some kind of opening ?
Was this "tradition" designed for simple-minded people by the semi-gods who invaded India long ago, in order to help that part of humanity move ahead ?
This sounds like a very mechanistic spirituality, but any physical and mental practice that will change your inner attitude can prove to be helpful. Spirituality is not magic, it is logic. It is made magic only in the hands of crooks, so that the sheeple remains ignorant and under control.


"When we talk about Hindu philosophy we must understand that it is the ONLY religion in the world which is not person centric, there is NO ONE MAN who understood the divine, and made others its followers"

Hinduism, if a religion, is degraded. Hinduism is more than a religion, for religions only produce fanatic sheeple. May I suggest that this pre-religious aspect of Hinduism be at the root of world religions, for it produces godly personalities from which religions get birth ? Whether the link of the world religions to Hinduism be still clear today or not is another question. It is therefore possible that Sufism has its roots at the same source: Hinduism.



"As a matter of policy i do not discuss spirituality where sahaj marg is concerned"

Yes, and it is only because you can't do it. Such a pity !



"The term spirituality is very relative, for example, if a man starts a system of philosophy"

It seems that for you, spirituality and philosophy are synonyms.



"The Hindus alone of all ancient races took up the study of this branch of knowledge in right earnest"

They inherited it from a greater race existing before. The modern theories about human history stating that civilisation is recent and popping up from nothing is pure mazi disinformation, for they do not want people to know that they are undertaking the same project which already sent humanity once back to almost nothing. However, they could not erase everything about the past. From the examination of the Sanskrit language and of its off springs, Indo-European languages, I can only say that on the contrary, humanity has not raised but degenerated during the last 10'000 years. I base this conclusion on the degradation of languages power from antique languages to modern languages. Additionally, the concepts that were preserved in the Vedic civilisation cannot be attributed to pre-historic humans. This knowledge is far too advanced and scientific. It looks more like a relic, though, than like a production from the Hindus. The same kind of knowledge is found on the other side of the Himalayas, in the Chinese civilisation: Transfers from India or same pre-historic remains ?



"there is nothing occult about these things"

Occult means hidden, not magical. Everything is occult in this universe.



Your description of Hindu cosmology is interesting for it shows that matter, body and life is most of the time the cause of spirituality.
Now, turn your consciousness towards its origin and see what happens.
Surely still a product of matter and biology.
However, the universe exists.
Seedsow.



"This is one of the main reason as why I do not discuss Religion or spirituality when we discuss sahaj marg, it is like discussing multiplication of grade-4 students when people are solving laplace transform."

Or you are too arrogant to think that maybe you do not know everything.
Recognizing once limitations can also be of public interest.
Take a look at Chari who will never publicly admit.

Cricri

Anonyme a dit…

"What about god, if we follow your logic, which resulted in such off springs like Chari, Bush Jr, Sarkozy or the Queen Elizabeth ?
Therefore, it must be possible that a demon gets born from a god.
Even though the sins of their fathers will bloom in the sons, sometimes the sons will find their way out. The reverse must be possible."

there is no personal God who is sending demons down to earth, its influence of people which modulated our thinking depending on how week people are... Ramchandra of shahjahanpur made chari what he is today, concept of sahaj marg is fundamentally wrong, because it is not raja yoga as it is claimed to be, it is not good for householders as it is claimed to be, there is nothing divine in it as it is claimed to be, a concept which is based on lies cannot be fundamentally correct.

"May I suggest that by doing this physical act of going physically as low as touching the feet of someone, ............... is made magic only in the hands of crooks, so that the sheeple remains ignorant and under control"


Touching feets of parents and elders is a sign of respect for them, it has a deeper meaning however.


"Hinduism, if a religion, is degraded. Hinduism is more than a religion, ..................................It is therefore possible that Sufism has its roots at the same source: Hinduism"

Yes, hinduism is more than a religion, and there are no godly personalities, but explanation are for manifestation of godliness in everything, if Sufism has roots in Hinduism... I have not researched this aspect, but currently whatever study has been done it points towards Islamic origin.




"Yes, and it is only because you can't do it. Such a pity !"

You cannot make me do that what i don't want to do... i have an opinion about spirituality of sahaj marg, which i have made quite clear by now, there is no trace of spirituality in sahaj marg, exercise of discussing spirituality of sahaj marg will be like trying to squeeze oil from stone, dear there is nothing spiritual about sahaj marg, because i am in my senses hence i will not try to squeeze oil from stone. :)


"It seems that for you, spirituality and philosophy are synonyms"

philosophy comes first.


"Occult means hidden, not magical. Everything is occult in this universe."


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/occult



"However, the universe exists.
Seedsow"

headache without a head... maya


"Or you are too arrogant to think that maybe you do not know everything.
Recognizing once limitations can also be of public interest.
Take a look at Chari who will never publicly admit"

Its not arrogance, just that i could find anything spiritual in sahaj marg, of-course as per my understanding only, I have seen the consequences of sahaj marg. If this makes you happy, i really cannot discuss spiritual aspect of sahaj marg as i could not find any trace of spirituality in sahaj marg, it will be good for you if try to discuss spiritual aspect of sahaj marg with likes of cyrill etc.. I have a clear concept about sahaj marg and am open to change if anyone can prove my opinion to be wrong, my challenge is open for everyone here http://geocities.com/sha211_211/challange.html

Regards
Shashwat

Anonyme a dit…

Salut a tous...

Nous avons trouve le niveau du Sahaj Marg... La TOILETTE, et son contenue...

Je pense que la toilette est une bonne place a commencer avec la SPIRITUALITE. La toilette c'est comme le "confessionel" des catholiques, ou les pecheurs, nous tous apparamment, deposent tout leurs rejets et leurs "merde"...

Apres la toilette, peut-etre le cerveau et son don divin de l'intellect peut fonctionner plus efficacement et produire des pensees qui ne sont pas seulement dirige vers les trois "chakas" du bas... mais aussi vers les chakras de la gorge (le son) , le troisieme oeil, et la couronne.

Nous avons assez de ceux qui essaye de manipuler le COEUR, cette PONPE du sang et en faire le centre des emotions, et de la spiritualite afin de manipuler les gens ... Deux examples: Le Christianisme, et le Sahaj Marg et autres religions...

L'age de notre enfance avec ces petites histoires d'enfants (fantaisies), est fini... Nous nous servons de notre "cerveau" et de notre raison maintenant et devenons des adultes!!

Bonne chance a nous tous...

Don

Elodie a dit…

Je rappelle à toutes et tous qu'il est plus facile de suivre le fil des discussions si vous postez vos commentaires sous le dernier message publié quel que soit le sujet.
Merci,
Elodie

Anonyme a ajouté un nouveau commentaire sur votre message blog "Ashrams : la fièvre acheteuse ?" :

Merci d'avoir rendu public cette histoire de l'ashram pour Lyon.
D'habitude je ne suis pas d'accord avec vous mais là ça devient
n'importe quoi. Ils n'obéissent plus à Chari. Le comité continue de
chercher quelque chose alors que Ajay a confirmé que le projet était
annulé. Il y en a qui proposent qu'on l'achête en notre nom pour le
louer à la mission en attendant qu'elle puisse nous le racheter. Ca
tourne au fanatisme quant on sait qu'on aura pas les 150 milles euros de
la mission et qu'on a failli finir l'année en déficit. On avait pas les
moyens de changer le digicode de notre salle ni de racheter des chaises.
Alors on nous a demandé d'aider une fois de plus.

Alexis a dit…

Kasturi parle…

Le contenu de son discours du 30 avril 1995 à Madras


Après la demande de Cyrille sur le blog de Kasturi Bhenji, Pandit ji a publié ce qui suit le 14 novembre 2008.
On notera que Kasturi ne remet pas en cause le statut de Chari, président et représentant spirituel de Babuji. Elle confirme au contraire qu'il a bel et bien été préparé pour cela par Babuji. En revanche, si elle reconnaît le Chari créé par Babuji, elle refuse celui qui a été fabriqué par ses adeptes !
En gros,dès 1995, elle a constaté (comme nous mais plus tard) que l'évolution de Chari au contact de ses foules d'abhyasis n'avait plus rien de spirituel ni de commun avec Babuji…
Il est amusant de voir qu'entre Umesh Chandra Saxena, K.C. Narayana ou Kasturi, toutes les positions à propos de Chari s'expriment : Umesh Chandra lui refuse le statut de président et à plus forte raison de représentant spirituel, Narayana lui reconnaît le titre de président mais pas de représentant spirituel et Kasturi lui reconnaît les deux mais pense qu'il a complètement dérivé de l'enseignement initial de Babuji…

Dear brother and sisters,
I had an opportunity to ask saint sister kasturi few questions which i am publishing below :
"Pandit ji : Can we put the speech given by you at madras ashram in 1995
Kasturi : Yes you can because people should know why i moved away from chariji, also pleae note that the chariji created by babuji is still with me and will be there always but I am away from chariji made by his followers as there is a feeling that whatever they get is from their master chariji and nothing from babuji
(Please find the speech in the next post)
The primary reason for moving away can be read and understood in my speech"
Here is the Gist of speech given by sister kasturi as MADARS Ashram on 30th april 1995 it clearly says that chariji made by shri babuji is still with bhenji and not the chariji made by his followers.


GIST OF MY SPEECH AT MADRAS ON APRILL 30 1995.

I had felt the necessity of providing a brief of my speech delivered in Hindi at madras on April 30 1995, because many of us who gathered at the celebration and met me afterwards had misinterpreted me hence in away of clarification I am giving the gist of my speech in English.
Dear brother and sisters today we are celebrating with great enthusiasm the 97th birthday of our beloved rev shri babuji maharaj the founder president of the mission and also the golden jublee jublee year of shri Ram Chandra Mission founded by him. With the permission of the president and my brother shri chariji I am before you to express my views . In fact since past many years I have been receiving many letters and statements
Leveling many charges against me and expression of the feeling with anger that I am causing pain to your master shri chariji, so today I intend to avail this opportunity to make this position crystal clear and offer you the solution so that you may henceforth get fully involved without least diversion in pursuance of you sadhna.

Dear brothers and sisters you must know that I had never uttered a single word against him and also never allowed in my inner to germinate or perpetuate even the slightest thought of disrespecting and ignoring him in any way and at any moment. Can you imagine why not ? merely because he is prepared by shri babuji maharaj as his spritual representative and president of shri ram Chandra mission Shajahanpur.

The truth is that shri babuji maharaj not only told me shri chariji’s declaration as president but also about the divine beauty with which he adorned him , sri chariji himself could not understand what to say of adjusting it. It is on account of this that out of love and affection for him ,I had on my own assumed all the duties and responsibilities for him. Shri babuji never asked me to do so. Ever since his declaration as president I have been discharging these duties wholeheartedly irrespective of the fact whether he is aware of it ,recognizes it or not. Whether he was abroad in the plane or anywhere else with the power bestowed by shri babuji maharaj. I had provided him instant protection. While all of you were sleeping I was awake and in vigilant condition. While coming down stairs when he slipped and got his leg fractured then also he would have been saved if he would have possessed this thought that my sister is with me for protection. At that time you all had propagated just to flatter him ,’Master was working at such a higher level that he was not conscious of himself and hence had a fall’.
I have been hearfing similar propaganda continuously but chariji whom my beloved shri babuji adorned with divine beauty , I am pained to say could not be identified and understood by my brother sitting with us , since pretty long years you all have been busy in making this propaganda that whatever one get in spirituality can only get from chariji, no one had however dared to become that which he cam make and then demonstrate what one will get from him, on my part I had always emphasized that I cannot accept chariji whom you have made through your propaganda . I only sri chariji whom shri babuji maharaj had prepared for you help and guidance. While I lokked him in his inner you have taken him only physically-sitting in the chair like an idol and praised him like his disciple a worshipper instead of being a true follower. It is just like a pujari in the temple employed to offer regular puja to the idols in mechanical way and attend to devotees getting in return just a few coins totally devoid of love ,devotion and craving for layavasta.
I have always tried my level best through my speeches on various occasions and sitting to inculcate in you love , devotion and surrender and thereby attain layavasta ,you have not cared to understand my inner feeling of love and brotherhood. Instead of it I have been signified as opponent of chariji. Not only this I have been receiving letters since the past few years from abyasis full of unhealthy and threatening words. But I swallowed it gently because I could not break loving ties with shri chariji whom shri babuji had adorned.
Ofcourse when it went beyond tolerance and I could not get occasion , I had conveyed the contents of unwarranted and provocative harsh letters to orally as well as in writing to shri chariji, to shri sarnadji, the gen secretary and also to shri Y.K Gupta the Zonal secretary but to my surprise no one even cared to sympathise with me . No consolation or reaction even from shri chariji , probably as president he has always taken your statements as true.
It was perhaps on this acoount that since 1995 Basant utsav , the divine power of shri babuji ,maharaj, in my inner has contantly been forcing me to speak to you amd I just cannot cannot describe how I had contained that intense force until this day of shri babuji’s birth day celebration .I do not know how I could bear that force.
Today the real form of shri chariji as adorned by my shri babuji maharaj has returned and rejuvenated the intensity of my love and affection towards him as a consequence that divine power of shri babuji maharaj dwelling in my inner has brought me on the dias to speak something in his presence. I am pained to say that shri chariji himself could not correctly understand the real implications of feelings when I said ‘ I know only that chariji who was prepared by shri babuji maharaj and I don’t accept the chariji whon his disciples have made.
Probably on account of this whenever and whatever I desired to do either for his protection or for promotion and spread of shri babuji’s work , I had performed it my level best , remaining with him ,but this humble service was not taken into in the correct perspective either by him or by you all. Today in this large gathering of about 12000 abyasis participating in the celebrations. I delegate all my responsibilities and duties to you all . You come foreward and perform same in the manner you like.

In my speech I had asked BIDAI(farewell ) from you all and from shri chariji whom you have made and is sitting with us. I cannot tolerate anymore your growing grudge and anger against myself and his pain on account of Kasturi’s name. Hence I said ‘Bid Farewell to me from you mind ,heart forget shri babuji maharaj who has made him and remember only him.
So much so that when I assured him with full confidence in my babuji’s power. That no no such thing has been made which can hurt you’ Even then instead of relying upon his sister’s assurance , chariji had continued to treat me at a distance . But beware I am not talking of worldly relations and physical comforts and courtesies that has quite a different level and sphere.
But I wish to make clear one more point which I had missed in my speech i.e you should come to me for sittings etc with a clear understanding that whatever divine transmission you will get , it will be only from my beloved shri babuji maharaj the representative of the ultimate reality Bhooma. I have nothing with me excepting him. I have already spoken on occasions that I don’t know spirituality, my inner simply took shri babuji maharaj in the core at his first sight (darshan) and got lost in his remembrance somewhere. It was to trace it that shri babuji maharaj took me somewhere, he will take me still where I don’t know.
Again I emphasize that the true meaning of my taking bidai from your inner thoughts is to remove me from there and in place you install the goal of your spiritual advancement for which you all have joined the mission amd master .
It is my earnest prayer to shri babuji maharaj that shri chariji may live long remaining in remembrance of shri babuji and provide spiritual service to you all and always work up for the development of the mission

Thanking you
Kasturi chaturvedi
Date 30.04.1995.

Anonyme a dit…

Merci Anonyme...

Nous avons encore une fois, un temoignage que le Sahaj Marg, est Gratis mais... les demande d'argent sont continuelles et le seront encore plus avec les "crises financieres". Tous les Ashrams qui ne sont pas payes mais qui sont "finances" par la Mission pourrait subir le meme sort que l'Ashram de Lyons, en France. Plus de Riveras pour les "simples" et les "spiritualistes" et les businessmen etrangers du Sahaj Marg.

Tant pis!!

Don..

Anonyme a dit…

Don,

Il faut que tu nous postes plus de proverbes Acadiens :-)

Le lotus, ça pousse bien dans la merde.

La spiritualité commence avec un processus de purification. Celui qui se passe à la SRCMtm n'est pas au point.

Comment les abhyasis se positionnent-ils par rapport à cette contradiction fondamentale entre un enseignement qui met l'accent sur le lâcher-prise matériel d'une part, et d'autre part l'activisme fanatique pour collecter, acheter, construire afin de satisfaire les lubies d'un guru retombé dans ses tendances ?

Le message d'Anonyme montre bien qu'en effet c'est n'importe quoi. Aussi il faut bien que les gens se demandent comment un mouvement spirituel comme celui-ci, qui était des plus prometteurs, a-t-il pu dégénérer à ce point ?

Qui l'a détourné ? Ce n'était probablement pas difficile de l'infiltrer, puis progressivement d'instaurer une nouvelle dynamique totalement contraire au but initial. Qui, dans le staff, pousse en avant vers une direction contraire à l'enseignement spirituel et contraire à la spiritualité ? Faites le ménage, la SRCMtm a besoin d'un cleaning de fond en comble depuis déjà trop longtemps !



Shashwat, do not repeat to me ten times the same message without arguments to allow me to understand your claims, repeating is not going to convince me or to make what you say the truth.

"Touching feets of parents and elders is a sign of respect for them"
Exactly the point. But it is more than just a sign. If the heart is also there it is a powerful way to generate a condition. Hence my previous comment.

Due to the human destructions, we have lost our memory of the past. However, we can hypothesized that if a civilisation was spread all over the Indian subcontinent and also covered the middle-east, as number of stories report, it left a common ground both in India and the middle-east. Sufis were possibly there before Islam, taking the Islamic aspect for the sake of survival as it could have taken a christian aspect if it was in Europe, or as it has taken a Hindu aspect in India with the Sahaj Marg. Spirituality is universal and can take any cultural cover but its core will stay the same.

"i will not try to squeeze oil from stone"
Tête de mule ! If we squeeze your brain, can we expect to get any juice at all ?

"philosophy comes first."
If you say so. But it makes no sense to me.

Concerning the definition of the word occult:
It derives from Latin occultus: Hidden, secret.
Its first meaning is hidden from view.
Then, through history, it takes the more metaphorical meaning of magic arts and mysteries, but as you see there is still at its root the notion of something hidden and invisible.
I try to stick to the primary and funding meaning of words, it makes the world easier to understand.

"headache without a head... maya"
BS: maya yourself.

"of-course as per my understanding only, I have seen the consequences of sahaj marg. If this makes you happy, i really cannot discuss spiritual aspect of sahaj marg as i could not find any trace of spirituality in sahaj marg, it will be good for you if try to discuss spiritual aspect of sahaj marg with likes of cyrill etc.. I have a clear concept about sahaj marg and am open to change if anyone can prove my opinion to be wrong"

Don't misunderstand my comment. I said that I agree with you that something is wrong at the root, but I find your position idiotically too sharp for there is always good and bad going together. Maybe that if Cyrille joins the discussion you will come to understand what I mean.

Cricri

Anonyme a dit…

En 2004, charismatique Charivari se plaignait de ses riches abhyasis qui jouent des millions à la bourse ou sur les marchés financiers.
Maintenant qu'il en a bien profité lui aussi, il a bien changé d'avis.
Quant aux WC, toilettes etc, sa priorité pour l'Inde, il l'a oubliée en route.
L'ashram de Calcutta à 500 000 $, ça aurait fait tout plein de latrines.

Anonyme a dit…

En 2004, il fait rire les abhyasis des Ricains qui construisent des temples...
En 2014, il construit des ashrams pour les abhyasis américains...
Cherchez l'erreur !