Commentaires de Navneet

Vous trouverez ci-dessous les réactions de Navneet Kumar Saxena, fils d'Umesh Chandra Saxena et petit-fils de Babuji, à diverses questions.

Je confirme pour ma part la présence de Kum. Kasturi Chaturvedi et Shri Dinesh Kumar Saxena (petit-fils de Lalaji et chef de file de NaqshMuMRa) dans la liste des précepteurs indiens de la Shri Ram Chandra Mission tm de Chariji.

Toutes ces querelles me font penser aux analyses de Michael et Alexis sur l'attrait du pouvoir. C'est l'explication la plus logique que je puisse trouver aux attaques de Navneet et à la prise de parole de Dinesh Kumar Saxena.

Elodie

Navneet a dit...
Dear 4d-don
We are told on Elodie's Blog that "Sister" Kasturi Chaturvedi and Dinesh Kumar Saxena, grandson of Lalaji and Owner and Web-Master of the NaqshMuMRa site, are now Preceptors of Chari's SRCMtm, registered in California...can anyone confirm that?
Both had joined Chari as I had said earlier and were in his list. But Kasturi Chaturvedi ji as I said had left him after her belongings were thrown out as said earlier.
As far as Dinesh Kumar Saxena ji is concerned. He too had joined Chari as Chari promised to help him marry his daughter. Which, he did so later on hence he was with him. Now, it seems Dinesh Kumar is separating again.

Dear AB
Your question: “Mr. Navneet Kumar, I am able to imagine what happened in this “closed room”. Can you explain if this is the practical application of your spiritual theory in life?
I just narrated the incident which took place and by the person who was involved in questioning the gentleman who was the tool to Sh. Jahangirdar ji’s death. Moreover, just to bring to your notice that Sh. Jehangirdar ji did tell my father 3-4 months before his death that he knows that he will also die, like Babuji died and that was the reason that he gave the last letter of Babuji to my father during his visit to Shahjahanpur.
Out of his explanations it seems to me stated, too, that Babuji (the special personality) seemed to be unable to find out who tried to make an attempt on his life.
Babuji did know that he attempt was being made on his life. His last letter clearly states so too. He also predicted his long hospitalization, which also was true as we know that Babuji was in Hospital from September soon after coming back from Paris to April 19th 1983 (The day of his Mahasamadhi.
Moreover ,as pointed by A old abhyasi about my Aunty stating Babuji’s request of FIR before leaving to Paris also clearly states that Babuji knew what the future had store for him.
Dear M
Your Question : Is the announcement made by Anonymous on March 17th @ 11.52 pm that in July SRCM name will be changed to "Shri Rajagopala Chari Mission" genuine or some kind of wry joke?
I Agree with you, there are legal implications to it. He may not be allowed to use the same name, logo, neither use funds and properties so gathered on Name of ‘Shri Ram Chandra Mission.’ Or any other organization floated using the funds so gathered from Shri Ram Chandra Mission or Sahaj Marg. Moreso, if we take a stance he cannot publish any material of Babuji also nor use it in future.
Please I am answering this from legal point of view only. We have always conveyed to anybody approaching from his group that he should separate himself from this system given by Babuji Maharaj and open some other body which, solely runs on his name with no connection whatsoever to Shri Ram Chandra Mission or Babuji Maharaj and his Method.
We believe in ONE MASTER, ONE MISSION & ONE METHOD only, where the Master is Babuji alone, following his teachings and method laid down to achieve our spiritual goal of life.
I agree by your and Chritian’s view on opening the so called to "Shri Rajagopala Chari Mission" – NOT PRACTICALLY POSSIBLE.

Dear Aurelius.
Can you clarify this Navneet? Was Chari with Babuji when he died?
As soon as Babuji arrived at Delhi Airport, Chari just left Babuji at the Airport and went to on of Delhi’s Sr Preceptors house and later soon caught his Flight to Chennai.
My father had gone to America for his treatment, after attending the paris function. He came to know of Babuji’s illness and that he had been taken to Hospital. So he cut short his visit returned back, and then remained with Babuji till he was in the hospital.
Chari was not there at the time of Babuji’s death. But, did reach for the funeral where he did not even touch Babuji’s feet but, started holding meetings in the Ashram with his people and asked them to make him the next president even while Babuji’s Funeral was taking place.

Comment dated March 22, 2007 4:54 AM by Anonymous stated below
MICHAEL - From "Heart to Heart" by P. Rajagopalachari(p 272/3)

" But some people persist in addressing me as "Master". I have been annoyed by this practice myself for two or three reasons, you see, for one thing, it has alienated me from a section of the senior abhyasis of my Master who think I have usurped some sort of position to which I am not entitled, into which I have not grown. Some of them even said that I am responsible for my Msster's untimely demise. That is one thing. The second thing is: I have never claimed to be a Master."

Lastly (I don’t know when the book was published but the above statement clearly states that Chari himself knows that allegations of Murder will come up in due course. !!!!!!
As far as the truth of Don being present at the time of Nomination of Chari is concerned. There shall soon be on net a document putforth by Chari himself to support absence of Don at the time of his Nomination.
There is one more document from the horse’s (Chari’s) mouth expected to clarify and help decide the lot of misled true seekers as what they should decide, after all this.

Navneet

March 24, 2007 6:02 PM

Mémoire sélective

Le dernier Sahaj Sandesh (N°2007-14 du 18/03/2007) affirme que la Shri Ram Chandra Mission a toujours prôné une culture transparente et ouverte. Il y est précisé qu'elle n'encourage ni ne décourage aucun forum, site internet ou média online.

Le Sahaj Marg accepte (tolère ?) enfin la libre expression de ses abhyasis. N'est-ce pas un peu tard ? Nous, abhyasis désillusionnés, avons réclamé à cors et à cris cette liberté d'expression depuis plus d'un an sur nos blogs, sans qu'il ne se passe jamais rien de positif, bien au contraire.

Il y a moins de six mois, pour décourager nos initiatives, on pouvait lire ceci sur Sahaj Sandesh (N°2006-68 du 20/09/2006) : "Sur les conseils du Maître, la Mission a adopté une politique pour décourager l'utilisation des groupes en ligne, chats rooms, blogs, listes privées d'emails ou l'utilisation non autorisée par des tiers de listes de diffusion pour disséminer l'information relative à la Mission". Chariji et la SRCM tm ont la mémoire courte.

Le 2 juillet 2004, il écrivait à l'abhyasi Clark Powell de fermer le blog qu'il avait ouvert au mois de mai précédent : "J'ai vu les mails proliférer entre vous et les gens et cela m'inquiète. Par ce mail je vous demande de fermer définitivement votre site invertendo.com. Je vous remercie pour votre obéissance." Détail que je relatais déjà sur ce blog le 17 février 2006. Décidément, Chariji a une mémoire très sélective.

Le résultat de cette politique de black out, le voilà qui arrive maintenant. Les véritables adversaires de Chariji sortent de l'ombre, tel le petit-fils de Babuji. Sur son site internet comme sur tmtindia, Chariji y est accusé des pires méfaits et des rumeurs incontrôlées et incontrôlables envahissent le web.

Le saviez-vous : en juillet prochain, la Mission changera de nom, elle s'appellera alors officiellement la Shri Rajagopala Chari Mission. Telle est la rumeur lancée sur tmtindia le 17 mars 2007, par un anonyme évidemment.

Elodie

Ci-dessous l'ensemble des documents cités :

Sahaj Sandesh No.: 2007.14 – Sunday, 18 March, 2007Blogs, wikis and various websitesThere has recently been a proliferation of information and views about Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM) and Sahaj Marg distributed through email and the internet. SRCM has always maintained an open and transparent culture which promotes the expression of one’s feelings and ideas – indeed the teachings of our Masters have always encouraged abhyasis to “speak from the heart.” This being said, Abhyasis and interested seekers are to be advised that the official websites of Shri Ram Chandra Mission and the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation are http://www.srcm.org and http://www.sahajmarg.org respectively. While the Mission neither encourages nor discourages any other forums, websites or online media, it is our duty to direct earnest seekers to the official websites listed above. Those who seek clarification on the Mission’s activities may also refer to the following URL: http://www.srcm.org/welcome/srcminfo.jsp

Sahaj Sandesh No.: 2006.68 – Wednesday, September 20, 2006INTERNET POLICYPer Master's guidance, the Mission has adopted a policy to discourage the use of online groups, chat rooms, blogs, private email distribution list or unauthorized use of third party list servers to disseminate Mission related information. Abhyasis, who require any clarification regarding their practice may direct their questions directly to Rev. Master or may seek clarification from their prefects. Those who wish to record their spiritual experiences may do so in their personal diaries which is confidential. Individuals may be referred to the Mission's / Foundation's official websites ( http://www.srcm.org and http://www.sahajmarg.org ) for any information related to the Master, Mission or Method.


Une totale obéissance (Vendredi 17 février 2006)Aucune liberté d'expression
Richard a raison, l'argent n'est pas le seul problème.
La liberté d'expression est impossible au sein de la SRCM. Les abhyasis ne peuvent pas communiquer pleinement et ouvertement.
Notre Frère bien connu Clark Powell a créé un blog en mai 2004. Chari n'était pas content et lui a dit d'arrêter dès le début de juillet : "J'ai vu les mails proliférer entre vous et les gens et cela m'inquiête. Par ce mail je vous demande de fermer définitivement votre site invertendo.com. Je vous remercie pour votre obéissance."
Pourquoi les échanges de mails l'inquiètent ?
Pourquoi les abhyasis doivent avoir l'accord de Chari pour communiquer entre eux ?
Pourquoi Chari a peur quand il ne contrôle pas quelque chose ?
Que veut-il cacher ?
Dans son récent voyage vers Satkhol, un abhyasi a posé la question suivante à Chari : "Que recherchez vous le plus chez un abhyasi qui vient à vous" et sa réponse, rapportée justement par Clark Powell dans Sahaj Sandesh, fut : "Je ne sais pas ce que je cherche. Mais le mieux, c'est une obéissance totale. Une obéissance sans poser de question."
Mais pouvons nous accepter d'obéir totalement alors que nous ne pouvons plus lui faire confiance ?

Documents officiels ?

Le petit-fils de Babuji, Navneet Kumar Saxena, a publié sur son site les minutes du Comité de travail de la SRCM en date des 6 et 7 février 1984, les minutes de l'Assemblée Générale du 8 février et la Circulaire du 15 février informant l'ensemble des abhyasis que son père Umesh Chandra Saxena devenait président de la Shri Ram Chandra Mission.

Auparavant, il avait publié les 2 lettres de nomination de Chariji et de son père, Umesh Chandra Saxena, ainsi qu'une lettre de Babuji à Jahagirdar.

Ci-dessous le contenu de quelques uns de ces documents. Vous trouverez les originaux sur :

www.srcmshahjahanpur.org.in/facts.html

Circulaire du Secrétaire S.A. Sarnad en date du 15 février 1984

CIRCULAR

To All the members of the working committee,
Centre-in-charges/Preceptors/Organisors
of Shri Ram Chandra Mission in India
and Abroad :

Sub : Declaration of Successor President
of Shri Ram Chandra Mission,
Shahjahanpur. U.P.

Dear Brothers/Sisters,
Here I am pleased to inform you that our Revered Master Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj had nominated Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena vide declaration/nomination letter dated 16.04082 and the same was produced before the member of the working committee on the 6th and 7th. Feb. 1984 for approval and consent of the members and the members present have accepted and approved the nomination dt. 16.04.82 in favour of Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena S/o Late Mahatma Ram Chandraji Maharaj. Hence with effect from 7th. Feb. 1984 Mr. Umesh Chandra Saxena is now the SUCCESSOR PRESIDENT of Shri RAM Chandra Mission Shahjahanpur.
The Minutes of the working committee were further produced before the General Body members of Shri Ram Chandra Mission and the declaration/Nomination letter dt. 16.04.82 were unanismously approved and accepted, this is just for the information of the brothers and sisters. In this connection kindly find enclosed the following for your record of information.
1. The Copy of Declaration/Nomination Letter dt. 16.04.82
2. Extract of the minutes of the working committee meeting held on 6th. and 7th. Feb. 1984.
3. Extract of the minutes of the General Body meeting held on 8th. Feb. 1984.
We request all the members/abhiyasis/Preceptors/organisors to cooperate with the President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission, Shahjahanpur.

Yours affectionately
S.A. SARNAD
SECRETARY

CC Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena
President SRCM


Lettre de nomination de Chariji, datée du 23 Mars 1974

I hereby nominate my disciple Sri. P. Rajagopalachari as my representative to work for the Mission as President in the Sahaj Marg System. As long as I live, I will be doing my job, Afterwards he will enjoy the fullfledged authority given by the Constitution and bye-laws of the Mission.
May God's grace shower through him to all mankind.

Ram Chandra

President
Shri Ram Chandra Mission
Shahjahanpur U.P. (India)

The 23rd March 1974


Lettre de nomination d'Umesh Chandra Saxena, en date du 16 Avril 1982

Date 16th. April 1982

DECLARATION/NOMINATION

I, Ram Chandra, Founder President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission, Diwan jograj, Shahjahanpur in Exercise of my Power under Rule 3 and 4 of the Rules and constitution of my Private Trust/Society, on my free Will and Accord and upon the due consideration of the totality of the circumstances prevailing in my said Mission including wishes and blessing of the Almighty and that of my Samarth Guru Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj of Fatehgarh, do hereby nominate my Spiritual Representative as also my son Shri Umesh Chandra Saxena as Successor President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission Shahjahanpur, with liberty to him, to further nominate his successor President of Shri Ram Chandra Mission with the condition that the person so nominated by him as his successor President of the said Mission must be his spiritual representatives in his direct line of succession.

I shall however continue as President of aforesaid Mission till my life time and this nomination shall come into play only after my death.

Previous nomination if any, made by me, shall stand superceeded and cancelled.

Affectionately yours
Ram Chandra


Lettre de Babuji à Jahagirdar, datée du 2 Septembre 1982

2.09.82

Paris (France)

Private and confidential

My dear Jahagirdar,

To day I am thinking of you from the early morning and I feel to part some secret for your knowledge and advantage of our Abhiyasis because I feel by the time I reach India it will be too late. Now I am beginning to think that some people do not want my existence and it appears that they do not have any love for me but they think of more of the property and assets of the Mission and we are deviating from the path of " SAHAJ MARGA ".

Recently I have examined four of my senior preceptor, but I found that they have taken the different view of Sahaj Marga, with the result I have to leave them for the care of God Almighty to sail or sink. I also worked hard with Parthasarathi Rajagopala-Chari but all in vain, dark clouds are around him and the nature has decided to punish him. I was astonished to feel that he has been revengeful and making several attempts on my life for the past eight years. In the way back 1974 when I was admited to Vivekananda Hospital Lucknow, that time he played with my life but I could survive since my master was great to safguard me, at that time the circumstances were diferent. Now again he became successful in administering the slow poison solution in my food served in the plate while travelling from India to Paris. But I was taken careof by the doctor here but nothing can be said what happens while I travel from Paris to India Back; anything could be expected.

Now I feel that the time has come to leave physical body the enough damage has been done and moch more is expected in the 100 hours probabely I may not be given any chance to write any further letter after this that is why I thought of you to convey my feeling to you, for you to know what kind of people Mission is having and what reward has been given to me for the servilce to the huminity and the mankind.

I am given to understand here that Mr. P. Rajagopalachari has been conducting meetings with the foreign Abhiyasis that he is going to be the next President and Master may not survive now, I still do not know who has declared him? These are the things which are depressing me and I see the present condition of the Mission today.

During my illness Jesus Crist were attending on me and sucking the poison from my body, during the time I had enough time to attend on you and I found your fullest devotion and surrender and I have transformed you in totality. I wish that all our abhiyasis should follow your path and you are requested to guide every our Abhiyasi so that they are benifitted.

I want to reveal one more secret [one more secret est souligné] which is fetal to the Missionis that I have already nominated my Successor President and the letter to this effect has already been issued, the person is from the Direct Line of Succession and this is the wish of my Master.

I am also associating with my successor President the following four persons who will also work under his direction and they are:
1. Dr. S. P. Srivastava, Lakhimpur Kori,
2. Mr. Kashi Ram Agarwal, Shahjahanpur,
3. Mr. K. C. Narayan S/o KDr. K. C. Vardhachari
4. Mr. Nasib Chand Lucknow

Kindly do not divulge these secret to any one except Umesh, my son but only after my life time otherwise he is likely to become hostile. I foresee immediate hospitalisation in India and likely to remain for longer period, hence this letter being confidential letter handing over to one of the old sincere Abhiyasi who is here, to ensure delivery of this letter safely.

You are at liberty, to take action in alarming circumstances, if need be but with a condition to route through this letter through Umesh only. But at the same times you are also requested to streamline the disturbances by peaceful approach by taking help of the other senior members.
I fully hope that you will do as I wish.

Yours affectionately
Ram Chandra

Commentaires anonymes

Deux commentaires anonymes , le premier sur ce blog et le second sur tell me truth India, relancent la discussion.

Elodie

Anonyme a dit...

I'm sorry, but this is all revisionist history.

The nomination letter proclaiming P. Rajagolpalachari was witnessed by Don Saborin and Sister Kasturi, who already made this known to the working committee and to the courts, after Babuji's death.

In addition, there was no mention of Umesh succeeding at that time. Thefamily first proposed Babuji's elder son Prakash and then, his grandson Charad, who backed off, admitting the falsification.In addition, Babuji told me directly in Munich Germany, in 1980, that he was turning over the work of the mission to Parthasarthi, which converstation I also made available to the courts,

Please look to your hearts before spreading these dis-informations, or at least provide my above references to all who have received your mailings.

Yours in the service to our Master;

J.M.

A Old Abhyasi a dit...

Respected Alexis

Yes it is true that soon after death of Sh. Raghvendra Rao ji Chari's Aides headed by Sh. A.P. Dorai who is a retired police official took over the Raichur ashram. The fact is known to us.

You received a message from JM stating the following:

"The nomination letter proclaiming P. Rajagolpalachari was witnessed by Don Saborin and Sister Kasturi, who already made this known to the working committee and to the courts, after Babuji's death"

It is astonishing of how people tell such a big lie We were suspecting that Babuji's signs were taken by accident but this statement now proves that Chari's letter is surely forged and there now surely seems a to be a plot laid by all three and may be includes JM.

Wait before anybody gets angry on this I have personally seen one more letter with Umeshbhai. Photocopy of whic which I will give to Navneet to put on their internet site which proves that DON was not in India around the date of the Nomination. I have seen one letter written to Sister Kasturi ji by Babuji in the year 1982 in which he has written to her that he has already nominated somebody as his successor and strangely that letter does not talk of anything else and it does not talk about name of the successor also. Even this is not on internet.

If Ss Kasturi had witnessed Babuji giving letter to Sh. Chari way back in 1974. The following questions need an honest logical common sense answer from JM.

1) Babuji writes to Chari about a person not being in India 4 days before giving the so called nomination to Chari and he also tells about Don's programme in the letter to Chari and as per Don he is present at the time of Nomination !!!!!!!

2) If Ss Kasturi had witnessed Babuji signing the giving the letter to Chari then why did Babuji have to tell Ss Kasturi ji in 1982 about his nominating a successor. If she was present she should have known it and neither Babuji had to tell her after so many years that he has done a nomination.

3) It is sorry state of affairs how people just talk of their hat. How do people say they have told to working committee. Kindly ask the gentleman if the working committee he is talking about took place at the birth place of SRCM in Shahjahanpur or not. Answer is NO. There was a working committe meeting held by Chari in Hyderabad where these individuals stated. This was after the Working Committee at the headquarters rejected his claim. Ask Sh. JM had Don & Ss Kasturi ever attended a working committee meeting after Babuji's pghysical demise at Shahjahanpur. My Uncle was present in the meeting. Again Answer is NO again.

4) it is something like I wan't to be made president of a society so I collect some members ask them to make me President sitting at my house. (make a dissidents group, which is quite common in Indian politics) and then start claiming Presidentship of the Society without even going to Society Headquarters.

5) Now about courts. Sh.JM can you please provide one prrof that Don has attended court and that Ss. Kasturi has attended court. I thing we should talk on facts not statements. I can show you proof of whatever I have told or can ask Navneet to show the same to you.

Alexis One more thing I would like to tell you. Just before going to Paris Babuji did actually say to his Daughter the following. I was present there 'I wan't to go to Police station, someone take me to the Police Station and file a complaint." She asked "what is it Babuji" He said "somebody is going to murder me. Will police accept my complaint beforehand." She replied " Babuji who can murder you. Everybody loves you." Babuji's reply was "No take me to Police" But Alas Babuji was not taken to police for registering his FIR. There are proofs still alive here in India who had witnesseth this and have presented in affadavit to the High Court in India.

This is one of the main reason why we consider Babuji's last letter also true in complete sense. Technically too common sense states that Electronic Typewriter being absent in India proves that letter was written somewhere in advanced country. Babuji was in Paris as you know. 4d-Don states that Babuji was not in position to write. But he dictated and did not write He only did corrections. If Mr. 4d-Don touches his heart that it is true to compelte sense if he was present in Paris all the time around Babuji. You all must be knowing Brother KV Reddy ji who was the Overseas Secretary during time of Babuji ask him. He was one who made all arrangements. Ask him what happened. There were 16 Indians there ask 3 Indians whom Babuji shared some part that is written in the letter. I have personally discussed with some.Regarding Minutes of Meeting which will clarify all other claims of Sh. JM ji and his Chariji. I shall provide one original copy to Navneet to soon be put on internet for all to understand how much to believe in JM's statement.

Mr. JM if I am not wrong you are very close to Chari ji and were main person propogating Chari in Europe soon after death of Babuji. Every body in India Know how much Babuji talked to you about such subjects as to others. On what pretext the statement was passed to you and when. It was not for Presidentship. If you remember now. I hope by now you would have understood that I have Identified you. Ji... M.t..s. You too have met me before don't try and recognize me as I was very young that time. Alexis I am saying with all proofs seen by me with my own eyes, which I know must have been submitted to courts by now by Navneet group. Moreover I would now just ask you one simple question If Chariji was so confident on his being President. why did he start another SRCMTm later in late 90s. Why did he make other Organizations and not be accepted in India. You people who are staying abroad and are not of Babuji's time don't know the image of his Aides in India. We are suffering by not going my Babuji's gift to us that is Shahjahanpur Ashram. Can a true successor be surrounded by such people. He does not even have the eyes to identify them how will he show the way to others.!!!! Or may be is a politician or a underworld white collared Don trying to build group of his own as it happens in India.

I think you can ask JM to produce evidence in whatever form on written proof with Babuji's sign or handwriting to support his claims and put the same on net and then talk about it. Rather than just passing statements without proof.

Regards

A old Abhyasi

Accusations

La discussion avec Navneet Kumar, petit-fils de Babuji, s'est poursuivie sur :
https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1994262436870281601&postID=2282680002029694976
Il dit que Babuji est le seul et unique gourou de la SRCM. Aucun de ses successeurs n'a le droit de prétendre au titre de "Maître". Lui-même est son représentant spirituel, c'est-à-dire son serviteur. L'ashram de Shahjahanpur est le siège de la SRCM pour toujours, conformément à la volonté de Babuji.
Si la maison familiale de Babuji est demeurée intacte, l'ashram de Shahjahanpur est occupé maintenant par le clan de Chariji depuis le printemps 2006. Ils ont blessé la femme d'Umesh Chandra Saxena et le Centre-in-charge Amresh Kumar qui vont mieux maintenant, même si ce dernier entend moins bien depuis lors.
L'ashram de Shahjahanpur est la propriété de la SRCM. Celle-ci est disputée entre Chariji et Navneet. La Cour suprême indienne a déclaré "Arguments heard. Orders reserved." en date du 7 février dernier. Voir :
http://courtnic.nic.in/supremecourt/temp/ac661900p.txt
Navneet confirme qu'à l'occasion du meeting des 6 et 7 février 1984, Umesh Chandra Saxena a été nommé président de la SRCM, ce qui a été confirmé le 7 par le "General Body". Umesh Chandra est resté silencieux pendant 11 ans, conformément au vœu de Babuji qui voulait que les esprits se calment.
Il confirme aussi que Babuji a porté plainte en 1976 pour le vol de 4 lettres à entête de la SRCM et signées en blanc.
Enfin, il ajoute que son jeune frère a été victime d'un accident de la route suspect 13 jours après la mort non naturelle d'Umesh Chandra, en se rendant à Shahjahanpur et que lui-même a subi une tentative d'empoisonnement le 3 février 2006, où il a vomit du sang et ses ongles sont devenus bleus.

Elodie

En voici le dernier extrait en date du 2 mars :
Navneet a dit...
"The meeting referred to in 1984 was a meeting which took place on 6th & 7th February 1984.
The copy of the minutes is available with us and it clearly states that Chari's nomination seem to be false and it also clearly accepts Umesh Chandra's nomination to be in words used by Babuji and elects him as president which was also confirmed by the General Body on 7th Feb., 1984.
It was on Babuji's orders that Shri Umesh Chandra did not be very active for 11 years to avoid these disturbances as Babuji clearly said that like he was poisoned and there were disturbances when he took over from his Guru same is expected after his physical absence.
Let it be clear to all that this is not a fight for money but it is a fight against people mis-representing Babuji. Babuji believed in Quality rather than Quantity. Hence we have been able to maintain Quality people around.
Also notice that the last letter is typed on an Electronic Typewriter, which you all know was not present in India in 1982. Is that not aproof in itself.
Moreover the case in the Apex court of the country has just taken place and decision is awaited have patience for the order and observations made by court.
For your knowledge there were observations from an High Court Judge that the document of Chari doesn't seem to be genuine as the cover letter was of an earlier date (4 days before) and the Certificate as stated by them was not folded and the envelope so submitted was a small sized envelope. The comments that how can a certificate of A4 size come in to a small envelope.!!!!
If you people wan't to be swayed away from reality and be guided by few unnatural claimants and propogators it is your problem not Babuji's. If you believe Babuji is the only Guru for the coming Years than get back to us or else we are not interested in people who don't believe Babuji & his masters orders which also is clearly noted fact as per Babuji's original diary.
How much more clear can a spiritual order be from Babuji's Master be when he has used the word 'Nutfey' in Urdu which you can verify means 'semen' in English. Stating that your successor will come out of your semen. Original Urdu jpeg file is also being published in our Jan-Feb Issue of Sahaj Marg Patrika.
It is SAD to note that People being in spiritual and being with Babujihave not realised who the true successor is. We are here to serve not be severed for standing in cause of Babuji, by not allowing anyone to deviate from the system laid and only of Babuji Maharaj. We happen to be his blood and you would agree blood is thicker than water. We will not be dishonest to our blood.
Also note that any sane person would not fight for a cause even when he is well settled in life and working at a respectable Management level in one of the top 20 Organizations of the country India. We are also not claiming to be Master's we are only saying we are servants following our Guru's Order.
One last thing on the 13th day from my father's unnatural death my younger brother was warned from reaching to Shahjahanpur by car in person on his way if he wanted his life to remain. But he rung us up and said that if Babuji has given us brothers this work we will not care for our life and he moved to wards Shahjahanpur. Soon within next 10 odd kms a Truck directly collided with the car by coming on the wrong side even when my brother changed his lane the truck followed the car and the car was completely damaged beyond repair. Person sitting right on his back seat died on the spot. But my brother had only a small bruise on his forehead that too due to breakage of glass.
Similarly I was also poisoned on the 3rd of February in the year 2003 [erratum : 2006]. I vomitted blood as my father did but could survive without any Medicine. All my Nails turned Blue after a day and one of them have still not taken back to the original colour.
This is the last time I am writing this to you if you people have started doubting on Babuji and start believing in his so called true disciples who have not let Babuji live his life then Nature shall only take care of you people."